[OFF TOPIC] Politics Thread

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This Sunday, Argentina will select their president.

 

The last debate was absurd, the libertarian candidate was an embarrising!! Her vice president is simple dangerous....let's pray for a good result

[thepharoah 2,405]

7 minutes ago, OlympicsFan said:

I just wanted to point out that your comments are almost unreadable. You are allowed to use full stops. Maybe sober up, educate yourself and then try again.

 

i'll educate myself and whenever iam ready i'll answer u , meanwhile i won't accept any replies to me before i educate myself  you're seriously funny especially what u said about exchanging muslims with jews , like Germany wasn't the main reason for establishing Israel , like Jews found peace in Europe but they wanted to escape their luxury life for a country they know nothing about it , if Europe didn't treat Jews like Germany , Russia and many others did then there wouldn't have been any reason for Zionists to establish their country and revenge from some Muslims that that Jews live very peacefully with them from 1917 to 1948 and didn't do anything to them in Europe they treated them the same way u Europeans and especially Germans treated them with , you're the one that needs to be educated  

[OlympicsFan 858]

1 hour ago, bestmen said:

Jewish religion is closer to islam than christianity ...ask any jew if he can  enter to the church , he will say nooooo this is harshly prohibited , otherwise he will fasting for the rest of his life but yes he will accept the moske without any problem 

You are wrong by saying you accept them , UK gave them Palestine to get rid of them ...

1) I don't deny that those two religions are closer than either of them is to Christianity.

2) Not sure what the rest exactly means, i doubt that many churches forbid jews to enter. I think a mosque forbidding jews to enter is more likely.

3) I can't decide who gets to live in Germany, but if it would be up to me i would be very glad to take in as many people as possible from Israel. I doubt that many people from Israel want to move to Germany (or any other country than Israel) though.

4) The story of how the state of Israel was created is much more complex. Jews have lived in that region for a very long time.

5) Israel wants to get rid of all the people in the area, Palestinians and muslim countries obviously don't want that. As far as i can tell there is no international organization that can actually enforce international laws. Other muslim countries/organizations have to decide whether they are willing to help Palestinians shift the balance of power or not. If you want Palestinians to win, you should ask Iran/Qatar/Turkey to provide them with more military aid.

[bestmen 2,818]

5 minutes ago, OlympicsFan said:

 

2) Not sure what the rest exactly means, i doubt that many churches forbid jews to enter. I think a mosque forbidding jews to enter is more likely.

 

Not the churche forbid that  , jewish refuse to enter in because of the idolatry ...they pray the cross instead god 

[OlympicsFan 858]

2 minutes ago, thepharoah said:

 

i'll educate myself and whenever iam ready i'll answer u , meanwhile i won't accept any replies to me before i educate myself  you're seriously funny especially what u said about exchanging muslims with jews , like Germany wasn't the main reason for establishing Israel , like Jews found peace in Europe but they wanted to escape their luxury life for a country they know nothing about it , if Europe didn't treat Jews like Germany , Russia and many others did then there wouldn't have been any reason for Zionists to establish their country and revenge from some Muslims that that Jews live very peacefully with them from 1917 to 1948 and didn't do anything to them in Europe they treated them the same way u Europeans and especially Germans treated them with , you're the one that needs to be educated  

1) Where did i deny that (one of) the main reason for jews to want their own state was their persecution in Europe? It started long before the russian pogroms.

2) Jews were also "expelled" from other muslim countries (Nothern Africa/Middle East after WW2).

3) Jews wanted their own state (again) long before the 20th century, even without antisemitism.

4) Obviously i would have much preferred if Jews could have stayed in Europe, it would have been much better for Europe.

5) You don't know much about history/islam if you think that muslim and jewish people were best friends until only recently.

6) Your knowledge of history, the jewish people and islam is really poor.

[bestmen 2,818]

Wooo this song  from Sweden 

 

[thepharoah 2,405]

4 minutes ago, OlympicsFan said:

1) Where did i deny that (one of) the main reason for jews to want their own state was their persecution in Europe? It started long before the russian pogroms.

2) Jews were also "expelled" from other muslim countries (Nothern Africa/Middle East after WW2).

3) Jews wanted their own state (again) long before the 20th century, even without antisemitism.

4) Obviously i would have much preferred if Jews could have stayed in Europe, it would have been much better for Europe.

5) You don't know much about history/islam if you think that muslim and jewish people were best friends until only recently.

6) Your knowledge of history, the jewish people and islam is really poor.

 

I will left history for u , but also Europe Germany and Great Britain were the main reason why Jewish were expelled from Arab nations after WW2 , it was a revenge act for killing Palestinians in 48 after Nakba , stealing their lands by force and evacuating them the same thing they have done in 2023 with the admission of one of their ministers , so unfortunately innocent people always pay the price , i won't talk about the very long history because everyone would see from the point of view of his religion , but i will talk about modern history jews lived very peacefully with Muslims years even before 1917 , here in Egypt they had many companies owned by them when Egypt was one of Ottoman empire states , just listen to Arab Jews living in Israel or America , he or she will always say we lived a very happy life and we had friends of Muslims and Christians until 48 which Europe was responsible for it , like Biden said if Israel was not created we would have created one ofc to control this region nothing more 

[thepharoah 2,405]

https://www.instagram.com/p/CzrAbhlrppu/?igshid=ODhhZWM5NmIwOQ==

 

 

Hamas fake propaganda of children killed in Gaza , they chose Hamas notihng matters , I'm sorry for these sensitive scenes but some people need to understand how things are going 

[OlympicsFan 858]

1 hour ago, thepharoah said:

 

I will left history for u , but also Europe Germany and Great Britain were the main reason why Jewish were expelled from Arab nations after WW2 , it was a revenge act for killing Palestinians in 48 after Nakba , stealing their lands by force and evacuating them the same thing they have done in 2023 with the admission of one of their ministers , so unfortunately innocent people always pay the price , i won't talk about the very long history because everyone would see from the point of view of his religion , but i will talk about modern history jews lived very peacefully with Muslims years even before 1917 , here in Egypt they had many companies owned by them when Egypt was one of Ottoman empire states , just listen to Arab Jews living in Israel or America , he or she will always say we lived a very happy life and we had friends of Muslims and Christians until 48 which Europe was responsible for it , like Biden said if Israel was not created we would have created one ofc to control this region nothing more 

1) Would it be ok for you if European countries would now expel Palestinians because other Palestinians killed jews (many of them had european passports) in Israel?

2) I don't doubt that many jewish people who were expelled from muslim countries didn't talk bad about their former muslim neighbors, the same applies to jewish people who had to leave Europe. Don't you think that maybe muslim people wanted to get rid of jewish people for the same reason that people in Europe wanted to get rid of them (Jealousy/Greed (taking over their land/house) + being manipulated by their rulers into thinking that jews were their main enemies (so that they wouldn't turn against their own rulers))? In the end people everywhere "work" pretty much the same. They are controlled by very simple emotions (hate, fear, greed, jealousy, desire).

3) You realize that many muslims hated jews before the Nakba and that the Nazis were "friends" with Palestinians (Amin Al-Husseini)?

4) Jewish people lived in the area long before WW2 and i am convinced that they would have gotten their own state even without the Holocaust. I am sure you are aware of the Balfour declaration from 1917. It is interesting to look into the history between WW1 and the creation of Israel and ask yourself some questions. For example: Why did Churchill support the creation of a jewish state (so strongly).

 

Other (unrelated) interesting episodes of history that might "entertain" you (or anyone else who might be interested):

1) How did the U.S. behave during the Suez crisis?

2) Who funded the Suez canal?

3) Operation Damocles

4) Relationships between Churchill and Henry Strakosch

5) Who is Ben Nitay?

6) Who is Samuel Pisar?

 

Additional question:

Would the palestinians have gotten their own state if the Ottoman Empire wouldn't have ended? Turkey today has no intention of giving the kurdish people their own state, so i am not sure how the situation would look today if the area would have remained under the control of Turkey/The Ottoman Empire.

If you think about it, it is quite interesting:

If the Ottoman Empire alongside Germany wouldn't have fought WW1, the area wouldn't have gotten under british control (-> No opportunity for a jewish state, since the Ottoman Empire never would have allowed it) and without WW2 there would have been no "immediate need" for a jewish state. In a sense both world wars were necessary for the jewish people to get their own state in the area.

 

https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/2017-06-15/ty-article-magazine/revealed-photos-of-palestinian-mufti-visiting-nazi-germany/0000017f-ef6e-d0f7-a9ff-efefa25a0000

https://www.spiegel.de/international/germany/files-show-neo-nazis-helped-palestinian-terrorists-in-munich-1972-massacre-a-839467.html

https://archive.nytimes.com/www.nytimes.com/library/magazine/millennium/m1/chernow.html

Edited November 15, 2023 by OlympicsFan

[thepharoah 2,405]

Well I don't like endless discussions and I don't have time or energy for it .

 

last thing I want to say is that Non Muslims can enter mosques in all over the world except al masjed al Harram in Mekka and that's why many international stars of non Muslims entered mosques , we don't have a guard in front of mosques to tell people If they are Muslims or not , many international celebrities visited Alazhar mosque in Egypt which is considered the center of Islamic world , but ofc they should wear head covers like all Muslims and I guess it's something logically enough that I open my religious home for non believers to make them believe in my religion , cuz if I told them not to enter then they will hate my religion and I will lose them logic sometimes we need to think before writing 

Edited November 15, 2023 by thepharoah