[OFF TOPIC] Politics Thread

[bestmen 2,589]

This dance of death becomes a trend 

 

 

[heywoodu 13,618]

7 hours ago, Olympian1010 said:

but people need to approach the peace process with a willingness to compromise and forge a new path forward.

Isn't that at least somewhat what the likes of Yitzhak Rabin and Yasser Arafat were doing (obviously not solving the whole thing, but slowly making small steps forward)? You know, until the likes of living trash Netanyahu incited people into murdering Rabin and basically bombing the shit out of the entire peace process for another few decades.

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17 hours ago, thepharoah said:

I forgot to mention starving them preventing humanitarian aid , preventing them from getting cured by bombing hospitals , preventing doctors from staying in hospitals by force , forcing very ill people in the intensive care to evacuate from hospitals,  children are dying there in hospitals cuz there's no fuel to generate electricity anymore and you're telling me anti palestine or anti Israel,  putin that you're cursing all day long with all Russians didn't do one of the tenth of these sadists done in 2 years of war , they have done it in 30 or 40 days and still more to happen and more to be killed 

1) You clearly aren't interested in/capable of leading a discussion. Still you might want to consider using a different "writing style" so that other people are able to follow your "arguments".

2) The problem for sure is that palestinians don't get enough aid ...

The west should send them even more so that Hamas can keep all of it for themselves and use the material to build more bombs. Would be interesting to know how much aid arab/western countries sent to Armenians/Palestinians (who were displaced by Azerbaijan (a muslim country))? Do you have any data on that?

3) Of course you won't be able to understand this, but Iran/Hamas has zero interest in peace. Hamas has killed more than enough Palestinian on their own (when they fought against Fatah for the control of the Gaza strip).

4) Palestinians weren't welcome wherever they went (Jordan, Kuwait, Syria). All their muslim neighbors give zero shit about them (just like most people in the west), but they love to pretend that they care when it allows them to use them for criticizing western countries and mainly Israel. Muslim people mostly/only care about the death of other muslim people when it allows them to criticize western countries/Israel and when they can play the victim card. I don't hear much about how Russia treated people in Chechnya, how China treats the Uyghurs, how Myanmar treats the Rohingya or how Saudi Arabia treats the people in Jemen. I also don't hear much about the expulsion of afghan people from Pakistan that is going on right now.

5) Someone who just blindly believes the number of death people provided by Hamas can't be taken seriously. We have seen how believable they are when they lied about the number of people that died in the Gaza hospital blast.

6) There is a simple way to end this "war" (for now): Hamas can release all hostages and all the abductors can be handed over to Israel. As long as they don't do this, they clearly aren't interested in peace and the palestinians clearly aren't either, otherwise they would provide the israeli army with the location of the hostages and the abductors. If palestinians don't free themselves from Hamas they can't complain about Israel needing to rely on force to get back their citizens.

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13 minutes ago, OlympicsFan said:

 

4) Palestinians weren't welcome wherever they went (Jordan, Kuwait, Syria).

LOL millions of palestinians lives in Jordan,Kuwait,Syria,Lebanon,Algeria,Egypt ...etc  , which is an enormous mistake because this immigration is making Palestine empty , so no one will fight to return back their land 

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25 minutes ago, OlympicsFan said:

 

 israel should be created in Germany , because  Palestinians are not the onces  who commited the jewish genocide , and auschwitz is not located in the arabic area

 

 

 

 

 

Edited November 15, 2023 by bestmen

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14 hours ago, intoronto said:

Israel is the like the boy who cried wolf. Provoking the Palestinians with their policies and then crying wolf when they are attacked. There would be no Hamas if Israel was remotely interested in peace and providing the Palestinian population with just the basics. They claim they do, but people see through the bs. I'm not condoning Hamas by any stretch here, just pointing out Israel is the root cause of the issues here. 

 

Why can't we all just live in peace? Seriously.

What an absurd take. Hamas attacked israelis citizens (they weren't even brave enough to attack the military) and then tried to play the victim card when Israel retaliated. There would be no Hamas if Iran and Qatar wouldn't fund them to use them as a proxy to attack Israel (so that they don't have to sacrifice their own people). You clearly don't know anything if you think that Hamas or the powers behind them are interested in peace. Is the reason for Hezbollah attacking Israel also that Israel somehow suppresses people in Lebanon or Iran? Terrorists will always find a reason to start conflicts. Hamas would lose all its power if they would allow peace. Western countries have provided more than enough help to the Gaza strip, but many/most of it is used by Hamas and not to help the population. Hamas doesn't even deny that taking care of the population isn't a priority for them and obviously they are interested in keeping the population as poor and desperate as possible. Hamas never denied that their goal is to eradicate Israel, maybe people should just understand that people like them (or Putin) mean what they say. If you want peace you have to ask the palestinian population to help with the fight against Hamas and you also have to ask Qatar and Iran to defund Hamas.

Edited November 15, 2023 by OlympicsFan

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4 minutes ago, OlympicsFan said:

What an absurd take. Hamas attacked israelis citizens (

Their enemies are killing palestinians during 70 years 

 

 

and those people living around Gaza are new naturalized jewish used like a shield , their lifes are not important for natanyahu to compare with true jew

[heywoodu 13,618]

6 minutes ago, OlympicsFan said:

If you want peace you have to ask the palestinian population to help with the fight against Hamas

Good luck doing that while at the same time Israel is bombing their homes and cities off the map.

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9 minutes ago, OlympicsFan said:

What an absurd take. Hamas attacked israelis citizens (

Listen , she is american 

 

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13 hours ago, Monzanator said:

The history of man kind has been build on various forms of armed conflicts. Hence the "why can't we all live in peace?" is a complete myth for naive children.

Yes, it is human nature, although many scientists think that humans had to "domesticate" themselves to be able to form societies. In general i would say that more wealth (equally distributed) leads to less conflict. The west was (somewhat) done with wars after WW2 because they could afford it from a position of wealth, naturally "less fortunate" countries were/are more willing to use violence to get a bigger "piece of the pie". We will probably see more conflicts when resources get more scarce (population growth + climate change). The U.S. has fought multiple wars without "necessity" since the end of WW2, so i guess in the end it might be delusional to think that it is possible to get rid of war even if there is no "need" for it. Maybe it isn't about "having enough", but more about "wanting as much as possible". Historically wars didn't only have bad consequences, they also lead to increased social mobility and a lot of inventions. From a "peace perspective" it would be best to have one or two hegemonic powers (USA and the Soviet Union after WW2) that prevents major conflicts, but of course a lot of countries have a problem with this concept. I often asked myself if it would have been possible for the US to prevent all other countries from developing nuclear weapons?

Edited November 15, 2023 by OlympicsFan