[OFF TOPIC] Politics Thread

[Agger 1,709]

44 minutes ago, Monzanator said:

 

If someone wants to cherry pick the communism I'm OUT! 40 years of this bullshit in Eastern Europe should teach everyone what a waste it was. Guess Denmark needs a strictly communism regime to find out in reality how those Marx theories work

 

Mao and Khruschov split in late 50s and Mao was scared of losing power on the heels of Cult of Stalin going downhill following Khruschov's speech in 1956. The LAST thing I will do is to debate whether the Great Leap and Chinese way was the "real communism" or better than USSR way. They were both equally worthless on the long run. 

 

I'm just gonna stop this here, when you keep on feeling like mentioning the situation in Denmark. I'm an academic and can look beyond our borders even though you apparently seem to think otherwise!

I look at what was written AND state VERY clearly that it is NOT working, not in the past and not in the future.

And you were the one starting the Mao discussion. I said that he like all other "Communist" leaders used communism, never really trying to finish the dictatorship (even though some leaders has said that it's finished, which the policy did very clearly show that it never did).

I have NO belief in the communist idea and I happily fight the few who do believe in it, but I do still see that what we've seen is not the idea in its pure form.

[Monzanator 4,817]

14 minutes ago, Agger said:

 

I'm just gonna stop this here, when you keep on feeling like mentioning the situation in Denmark. I'm an academic and can look beyond our borders even though you apparently seem to think otherwise!

I look at what was written AND state VERY clearly that it is NOT working, not in the past and not in the future.

And you were the one starting the Mao discussion. I said that he like all other "Communist" leaders used communism, never really trying to finish the dictatorship (even though some leaders has said that it's finished, which the policy did very clearly show that it never did).

I have NO belief in the communist idea and I happily fight the few who do believe in it, but I do still see that what we've seen is not the idea in its pure form.

 

Yeah, communism belongs to academic or scholar discussions but not in real life anymore. It has been tested and it has failed no matter what the theory says. Thankfully we're over this crap in Poland and I don't care how sexy Bernie Sanders makes communism look in USA right now

 

PS. You were the one who mentioned the Mao name first. I didn't mention a single name in my communist posts up until you did it. Political ideas in pure form are long dead. This is even more evident in the social media & fake news rule that we have today.

[Agger 1,709]

3 minutes ago, Monzanator said:

 

Yeah, communism belongs to academic or scholar discussions but not in real life anymore. It has been tested and it has failed no matter what the theory says. Thankfully we're over this crap in Poland and I don't care how sexy Bernie Sanders makes communism look in USA right now

 

PS. You were the one who mentioned the Mao name first. I didn't mention a single name in my communist posts up until you did it. Political ideas in pure form are long dead. This is even more evident in the social media & fake news rule that we have today.

 

I mentioned him, yeah as one of those interpreting the dictatorship of the proletariat in his own way. Never mentioned that his way could be the right one

[Monzanator 4,817]

2 minutes ago, Agger said:

 

I mentioned him, yeah as one of those interpreting the dictatorship of the proletariat in his own way. Never mentioned that his way could be the right one

 

Communism has no right way, period Mao's industrialization was bound to fail in the 50s/60s just like it failed in the USSR in the 30s. World War II extended communism rule due to Stalin being the biggest winner of them all (outside USA who cashed in on the Lend & Lease act and suffered no internal damage within its borders). USSR had 35 tank factories build in the 30s. Who needs tanks during peacetime? This model of economy was a total failure without WWII.

[Olympian1010 8,258]

It’s worth mentioning that both Nepal and Bhutan have chosen Marxist policies and presidents, but both have also been able to maintain democracy in the process, so it can be done. Now, their are still issues with Nepal and Bhutan in terms of rights, but I think those could ironed out.

[Monzanator 4,817]

38 minutes ago, Olympian1010 said:

It’s worth mentioning that both Nepal and Bhutan have chosen Marxist policies and presidents, but both have also been able to maintain democracy in the process, so it can be done. Now, their are still issues with Nepal and Bhutan in terms of rights, but I think those could ironed out.

 

Somehow I don't think Marx had Bhutan in mind when talking about the proletarian revolution

[Olympian1010 8,258]

1 minute ago, Monzanator said:

 

Somehow I don't think Marx had Bhutan in mind when talking about the proletarian revolution

But they’ve made it work for them. The government is heavy handed, but the population is regarded as one of the happiest in the world. Most of their problems are stem from being patriarchal society (like Singapore), more than from Marxism. Nepal is even less heavy handed, and freedom of information seems quite available there.

[Monzanator 4,817]

3 minutes ago, Olympian1010 said:

But they’ve made it work for them. The government is heavy handed, but the population is regarded as one of the happiest in the world. Most of their problems are stem from being patriarchal society (like Singapore), more than from Marxism. Nepal is even less heavy handed, and freedom of information seems quite available there.

 

We're talking about Himalayan glaciers so tourism is the only thing that matters there. These people are dealt a specific hand and you can't change the environement or just about anything else. Freedom of information carries very little value, I mean what is there to hide among these 7,000 or 8,000 meter peaks?

[Dolby 755]

1 hour ago, Olympian1010 said:

It’s worth mentioning that both Nepal and Bhutan have chosen Marxist policies and presidents, but both have also been able to maintain democracy in the process, so it can be done. Now, their are still issues with Nepal and Bhutan in terms of rights, but I think those could ironed out.

Bhutan is a constitutional monarchy. Three different parties have won the three general elections in Bhutan since switch from absolute monarchy. 
 

Nepal’s present constitution after a bitter civil war in which Maoists were fighting a violent war to overthrow the existing regime is only couple of years old. So, early to comment on how it will pan out. 

[Olympian1010 8,258]

1 hour ago, Dolby said:

Bhutan is a constitutional monarchy. Three different parties have won the three general elections in Bhutan since switch from absolute monarchy. 
 

Nepal’s present constitution after a bitter civil war in which Maoists were fighting a violent war to overthrow the existing regime is only couple of years old. So, early to comment on how it will pan out. 

The current party in power in Bhutan is Marxist though I believe. I know they’ve been in out, which is exactly how it should be. 
 

I believe in the core principles of what Marx pushed, but I believe they can/should be accomplished through democratic means. Hence, Democratic Socialist.