Athletes with origins from other Countries

[Makedonas 2,239]

On 7/27/2023 at 3:58 AM, heywoodu said:

Austria is the interesting outlier there. The others are typical sportswashing countries, but....Austria?  

I mean they've had similar cases in judo and table tennis, plus the Alexandri sisters in artistic swimming.

[El Analyzer 308]

Hey Guys, What's your opinion about naturalisation in sports? .. do you think it's good/ bad / fair / unfair... for the athletes and for supporters too?

 

for me I can categories them into 3 styles:

 

1- Athlete who lived in the new country long enough and get the citizenship similar to any other normal person utilising the them process and time frame to be granted the new citizenship

 

- Personally I see this one is fine, and the athlete is free to choose which country to represent (original or new)

 

2- Athlete who is seeking asylum or has been ejected from his homeland for any reason, then he had been offered a citizenship to play.

 

- it depends, if he is temporarily away from his homeland I am more in favour to retain his original citizenship, but if it's impossible to be back again, then it's fine

 

3- Athletes who have been paid to represent another country and leave their homeland

 

- I am totally against that and can't withstand a Bahraini called Winferd, Qatari called Savic, Belgian calle Paratishvilli or Turkish called Makhmadov ..etc

[rafalgorka 1,808]

7 minutes ago, El Analyzer said:

Hey Guys, What's your opinion about naturalisation in sports? .. do you think it's good/ bad / fair / unfair... for the athletes and for supporters too?

 

for me I can categories them into 3 styles:

 

1- Athlete who lived in the new country long enough and get the citizenship similar to any other normal person utilising the them process and time frame to be granted the new citizenship

 

- Personally I see this one is fine, and the athlete is free to choose which country to represent (original or new)

 

2- Athlete who is seeking asylum or has been ejected from his homeland for any reason, then he had been offered a citizenship to play.

 

- it depends, if he is temporarily away from his homeland I am more in favour to retain his original citizenship, but if it's impossible to be back again, then it's fine

 

3- Athletes who have been paid to represent another country and leave their homeland

 

- I am totally against that and can't withstand a Bahraini called Winferd, Qatari called Savic, Belgian calle Paratishvilli or Turkish called Makhmadov ..etc

Agree 100% . Nothing to add here

[Grassmarket 4,026]

20 minutes ago, El Analyzer said:

Hey Guys, What's your opinion about naturalisation in sports? .. do you think it's good/ bad / fair / unfair... for the athletes and for supporters too?

 

for me I can categories them into 3 styles:

 

1- Athlete who lived in the new country long enough and get the citizenship similar to any other normal person utilising the them process and time frame to be granted the new citizenship

 

- Personally I see this one is fine, and the athlete is free to choose which country to represent (original or new)

 

2- Athlete who is seeking asylum or has been ejected from his homeland for any reason, then he had been offered a citizenship to play.

 

- it depends, if he is temporarily away from his homeland I am more in favour to retain his original citizenship, but if it's impossible to be back again, then it's fine

 

3- Athletes who have been paid to represent another country and leave their homeland

 

- I am totally against that and can't withstand a Bahraini called Winferd, Qatari called Savic, Belgian calle Paratishvilli or Turkish called Makhmadov ..etc

The problem is that 1) very quickly becomes 3).   

 

The USA has the NCAA 

Qatar and Bahrain have "sports academies"

Spain and Portugal have well-financed athletics clubs whereby people can establish long-term residence before transferring nationality

French & Belgian Football Clubs are notorious for signing up teenage African players who then become eligible for Les Bleus etc etc  

 

So it is easy to blame Turkey but really they are just not as good at pretending as everyone else.  

[bestmen 2,898]

in Your 3 categories , athletes should have a parental origine of new country otherwise he will represent his native country only 

 

for exemple Kayla nemour , her father is ALG so yes its ok 

but athletes from Russia or Africa  represent another country without any parental link, NOOO

[El Analyzer 308]

18 minutes ago, Grassmarket said:

The problem is that 1) very quickly becomes 3).   

 

The USA has the NCAA 

Qatar and Bahrain have "sports academies"

Spain and Portugal have well-financed athletics clubs whereby people can establish long-term residence before transferring nationality

French & Belgian Football Clubs are notorious for signing up teenage African players who then become eligible for Les Bleus etc etc  

 

So it is easy to blame Turkey but really they are just not as good at pretending as everyone else.  

good point, I think this sports academy is a way to turn around the normal citizenship rules ..which I don't like either.

[El Analyzer 308]

15 minutes ago, bestmen said:

in Your 3 categories , athletes should have a parental origine of new country otherwise he will represent his native country only 

 

for exemple Kayla nemour , her father is ALG so yes its ok 

but athletes from Russia or Africa  represent another country without any parental link, NOOO

I think Kayla is a good example of category 2, she was born in France, her father is Algerian, she has dual nationalities in a fair way. She was representing France which was fine ..then decided to switch (regardless the reason) to her other nationality, personally I think that's fair and supporting her decision in both ways. 

[dodge 1,040]

I think most people have similar views to be honest. There are plenty of reasons for genuine transfers of nationality (lineage, residence etc). Sure, some of them only do it to increase their chances of getting to Olympics etc, but so be it. 
 

I remember the footballer Deco (born in Brazil, played in Portugal to start his career) saying that he felt playing for Portugal was the right thing to do as he “owed” his career to them. I found that interesting at a time I wasn’t really sure how I felt about it 
 

The fast track “purchase” of athletes doesn’t sit well though. Turkey and Bahrain being most egregious to me

[chargundam 35]

I think there are more genuine reasons than unfair reasons. 

 

The unfair reasons exist yeah, but I think the vast majority are completely fine reasons. 

 

The unfair ones just get talked about more on here so it looks more 

[bestmen 2,898]

1 hour ago, dodge said:

 

The fast track “purchase” of athletes doesn’t sit well though. Turkey and Bahrain being most egregious to me

you make exemple of muslim countries only , why not Denmark represented by the kenyan" Wilson kipketer" very different cultures ...atleast citizens of Bahrein  are tanned not far than kenyans