Judo IJF World Championships 2021

[heywoodu 14,879]

16 hours ago, Dnl said:

As far as i've heard Canda's OC made this competition as the "choosing test" between the two

If that was the case, all of this confusion by the commentators yesterday was a little....dumb, wasn't it?  

 

I mean, think of this way of deciding things what you want, but if a federation has very clearly said "whoever does better at competition X" and one athlete is in the final while the other is not, that is not very complicated at all anymore.

 

At least it would be fair to send Klimkait, both because of saying beforehand that whoever does better here will be sent (and so both knew what to do) and because she is quite simply the reigning world champion now..

[Monzanator 4,453]

If the commentators don't know what the selection criteria is then of course it's dumb if decided for pure speculation. If the criteria was whomever does better at WC goes to Olympics then it's pretty clear cut.

[Vektor 3,325]

The most important day is coming up for us, mostly because Özbas has an unfortunate draw and she's the last one with a world quota in her event. She's up against Franssen in the second round, while her two main rivals on the world ranking, the two Koreans, have an easier draw to reach Round 3. If one of the Koreans reaches the Quater-finals and Özbas doesn't gain points here, we will lose a world quota, but both Koreans need at least one upset for that, Han has to beat the French world #1, Cho has to beat Franssen (if Özbas won't beat the Dutch one round earlier). 

 

In other words, our fate can be pretty much in the hands of Franssen. 

[phelps 7,590]

12 hours ago, Vic Liu said:

If national team get involved, it could persuade one to change weight class.

it might not be so easy...

 

I mean, certain athletes have the body structure that helps them to change weight class without too many problems, but others are just built into a single class...

 

looking at her, Deguchi surely can't even think to go up to 63kg...and I don't think she could either go down at 52kg...

 

on the other hand, also Klimkait is a bit too short to risk the 63kg swap (where she might be a lot less effective), if she doesn't have any issue with the current weight...

 

not to mention the mental struggle and consequences a weight class change can have on some people, especially among the women...

 

it's a very delicate question, especially in Countries where the individuals always have the last word...

[Vektor 3,325]

This just shows that one athlete per NOC isn't a good rule for judo (or for any sport where there are weight classes). It would be much better if they would have max. 2 athletes per NOC in a judo event, while they would keep the 7 male/female athletes per NOC rule. So the NOCs couldn't have larger teams than the current maximum (14), but the system would be more flexible. 

[Monzanator 4,453]

12 minutes ago, Vektor said:

This just shows that one athlete per NOC isn't a good rule for judo (or for any sport where there are weight classes). It would be much better if they would have max. 2 athletes per NOC in a judo event, while they would keep the 7 male/female athletes per NOC rule. So the NOCs couldn't have larger teams than the current maximum (14), but the system would be more flexible. 

 

Olympics prefer diversity and quota for lesser nations. Top-heavy approach just won't get the go ahead at the Olympics. You can't have it both ways.

 

They cut down on China in table tennis, overall number of entries in weightlifting and so on. Judo will get those random judokas from Cameroon or Gabon that get bounced 30 seconds into their first fight rather than have a second national quota for a country with multiple elite judokas like Canada in women's 57kg.

[Dnl 691]

Just now, Monzanator said:

 

Olympics prefer diversity and quota for lesser nations. Top-heavy approach just won't get the go ahead at the Olympics. You can't have it both ways.

 

They cut down on China in table tennis, overall number of entries in weightlifting and so on. Judo will get those random judokas from Cameroon or Gabon that get bounced 30 seconds into their first fight rather than have a second national quota for a country with multiple elite judokas like Canada in women's 57kg.

and that is why you have fights like earlier today between somone ranked 60+ and will be in tokyo, losing to a 30+- in the ranking and won't be

[thepharoah 2,405]

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[Vektor 3,325]

8 minutes ago, Monzanator said:

 

Olympics prefer diversity and quota for lesser nations. Top-heavy approach just won't get the go ahead at the Olympics. You can't have it both ways.

 

They cut down on China in table tennis, overall number of entries in weightlifting and so on. Judo will get those random judokas from Cameroon or Gabon that get bounced 30 seconds into their first fight rather than have a second national quota for a country with multiple elite judokas like Canada in women's 57kg.

And that is just stupid, especially for judo where we have a lot of athletes competing and there can be an easy solution to ensure diversity, like giving all the continental quotas to those nations who only have a couple of world quotas or none. (And it's not like judo has any issues with diversity)

[Monzanator 4,453]

5 minutes ago, Vektor said:

And that is just stupid, especially for judo where we have a lot of athletes competing and there can be an easy solution to ensure diversity, like giving all the continental quotas to those nations who only have a couple of world quotas or none. (And it's not like judo has any issues with diversity)

 

It's not even about Canada. Japan is the big elephant in the room, if they cut down on China in table tennis to prevent the medal sweep, they have to do the same in judo. You can't apply double standards, let one discipline promote powerhouses and save the other for minor nations. You have to put some consistency here. And they won't expand the number of entries per judo because they have to make room for new sports to begin with. Judo is old fashioned, classic sport that millenials usually ignore. And it will never get the following of athletics or swimming where there are enough entries that both powerhouses and minnows can compete at the same time.