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Fencing EFC European Olympic Games Qualifier 2021

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5 hours ago, Olympian1010 said:

If the IOC was willing to accept additional quotas, then they could use a modified version of the PanamSports model. 16 fencers from teams (2 from each), and then 16 individual fencers per event. That would be a reduction of 2 quotas per individual event, but you’d actually end up with more countries competing, and possibly better individual competitions.

The problem is not the number of individuals competing in the individual event. It's a pure total athlete quota issue.

 

What's the point of not allowing an athlete that is already present and counted in the athlete quota from competing? This isn't table tennis where they only allow two singles competitors to try to limit how many medals China wins (a stupid and short-sighted idea, they should really let every team members enter the singles event). Holding an individual event with 34 competitors isn't all that different logistically from holding an individual event with 48 competitors.

 

What fencing really needs is the IOC to give it 36 extra quotas so they can have 8 teams per event and individual events that have 16 dedicated qualifiers rather than 10.

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7 hours ago, mrv86 said:

I honestly believe that with this idiotic quota reduction it´s time for team competitions to abandon the program.

 

When you actually see that between 5-8 fencers in each weapon and gender will only be in Tokyo because they´re needed to fill a quota for a team (the one's with continental / host  places in particular), and some very competent individuals being left out because of that ridiculous 8 team "competition", then you should left space for more countries to send their best, respecting the 3 per country for those powerhouses that can actually qualify them.

 

 

The team events in fencing aren't some add-on. It's a core part of how fencers compete from the lowest level to the very top level. Even when I did fencing recreationally we did team tournaments almost as often as we did individual ones.

 

The format at the Olympics is more than fine given the quotas Fencing has available. The calibre of competition at the Olympics in the team events is usually pretty strong, even though obviously some medal contenders are missing.

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Right, the team events severely limit participation in Fencing. If the FIE/IOC wanted to increase participation, they’d have to reform how quotas are distributed for teams events, or drop the team eve

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Siess without quota, dissapointed after good performance in Doha Grand Prix. There should be available at least two quotas per continent, not just one, its not fair at all...

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I don't think that it would be good idea. But as I said it many times before, I HATE IOC of that because they have adding multiple events, new sports and so on, but number of athletes remain unchanged

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2 hours ago, NearPup said:

The format at the Olympics is more than fine given the quotas Fencing has available. The calibre of competition at the Olympics in the team events is usually pretty strong, even though obviously some medal contenders are missing.

So not exactly the best for the major sporting event, unless they add some places right?

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So not exactly the best for the major sporting event, unless they add some places right?

It would be better with 12 teams. But a lot of summer Olympic events could use more competitors.

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I'm of the opinion that all Olympic events should have at least 12 entrants (especially if you are going to give continental quotas). If the quality of the field isn't strong enough to justify this then it shouldn't be in the Olympics.

 

Fencing team events have enough depth to justify 12 entrants.

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Your favourites for today's Men's Epee? 24 entrants is quite high number but no wonder for Epee. Seed no. 1 :ESP Perreira, No. 2 :FIN Vuorinen, No. 3 :AUT Mahringer, No. 4 :CZE Jurka, No.5 :DEN Von der Osten.  ..... Means 5 great fencers from Top 50 haven't qualified for the Olympics and there is only one spot. It is going to be an extremely tough competition. For me, hoping that :CZE Jurka will take the spot. With all of his achievements in junior level, he definitely deserves. Wish all the best to him! 

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3 hours ago, Jan Linha said:

Your favourites for today's Men's Epee? 24 entrants is quite high number but no wonder for Epee. Seed no. 1 :ESP Perreira, No. 2 :FIN Vuorinen, No. 3 :AUT Mahringer, No. 4 :CZE Jurka, No.5 :DEN Von der Osten.  ..... Means 5 great fencers from Top 50 haven't qualified for the Olympics and there is only one spot. It is going to be an extremely tough competition. For me, hoping that :CZE Jurka will take the spot. With all of his achievements in junior level, he definitely deserves. Wish all the best to him! 

You forgot about Zawrotniak (#14) and Freilich (#19). There are 7 fencers in top 50 and only one will win OQ :(

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2 hours ago, sharkinator said:

You forgot about Zawrotniak (#14) and Freilich (#19). There are 7 fencers in top 50 and only one will win OQ :(

Who lost against Czech Jurka in semifinal... 

 

This big dissapointed which always happen for us the Games already started this time, even 3 months before Olympics. Maybe I bit overreacted for all of these our loses in most of sports but there is no arguments that we can have good Olympics, reaching even 11 medals will be now difficult.

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4 hours ago, sharkinator said:

You forgot about Zawrotniak (#14) and Freilich (#19). There are 7 fencers in top 50 and only one will win OQ :(

Damn, you are right. But Jurka made it anyway! Amazing day for him!!

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