[OFF TOPIC] Politics Thread

[Dolby 754]

3 minutes ago, George_D said:

I don't think so. It's peoples reaction to authoritarianism,  nepotism and corruption. In nepal the government banned the social media and provoked the riots. If a European government had done the same what would we have done?

I am not saying that Nepal government handled the situation brilliantly, but a bunch of 20 year olds don't just burn the parliament without some direction. 

 

The way I see it is that a number of power groups (both internal and external) had been stoking the tension in Nepal for quite some time. The corruption and bad governance of the political class ensured that there was distrust for the elites in the public. In the present case, don't think Nepal banned the social media but asked those companies to adhere to local laws which they refused to do. So, sensing an opening, some of the power groups, would have provided the framework for large scale protests. But don't think anybody anticipated the situation to worsen so quickly. Now, am hearing reports that Army is trying to control the situation but there is still fear in Kathmandu, specially among elites. 

 

It would be interesting to see which way does Nepal go from here. They were absolute monarchy till 50s with varying degrees of reform resulting in constitutional monarchy in 1990. And at this time, the King was very popular. But, this changed first with the Maoist led civil war and later with the royal massacre. Now, the king has been deposed, Maoists have joined politics and have been the dominant political force. So, where does Nepal go? Back to King Gyanendra, who is not as popular as previous kings but still has loyalty or Maoists, who have failed to provide any stability? Or will it be the elites of Koirala or Rana clan who will emerge as dark horses? 

[copravolley 498]

24 minutes ago, George_D said:

It can be a long discussion..in summary it was a period with political instability during 60s which was used as a pretext for the coup by some low-ranking officers (colonels). What most people don't know is that it had 2 phases.

One 1967-1973 when the dictator in charge Georgios Papadopoulos governed as a prime minister and then tried to transform the regime to semi-democratic.

The 2nd phase 1973-74 when the radicals, under Dimitrios Ioannides who actually controlled the army, reacted to Papadopoulos intentions mentioned above and removed him in a new coup. The new regime interfered in Cyprus in the summer of 1974 , making a coup against greekcypriot president Makarios which triggered a Turkish invasion. The military junta then collapsed and transferred the power to the politicians.  

We actually got freed with the blood of Cyprus...

Investing in Northern Cyprus has become quite fashionable lately (apartaments, houses etc). I know at least two people who have personally buy apartments there. In my opinion, it's quite risky, as the country is still not internationally recognized and I personally wouldn't buy anything there (even if I had the money). I think that you are a similar opinion about this?

Edited September 10 by copravolley

[George_D 1,473]

1 hour ago, copravolley said:

Investing in Northern Cyprus has become quite fashionable lately (apartaments, houses etc). I know at least two people who have personally buy apartments there. In my opinion, it's quite risky, as the country is still not internationally recognized and I personally wouldn't buy anything there (even if I had the money). I think that you are a similar opinion about this?

Yes. I also made my military service in Cyprus 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hellenic_Force_in_Cyprus

[George_D 1,473]

1 hour ago, Dolby said:

I am not saying that Nepal government handled the situation brilliantly, but a bunch of 20 year olds don't just burn the parliament without some direction. 

 

The way I see it is that a number of power groups (both internal and external) had been stoking the tension in Nepal for quite some time. The corruption and bad governance of the political class ensured that there was distrust for the elites in the public. In the present case, don't think Nepal banned the social media but asked those companies to adhere to local laws which they refused to do. So, sensing an opening, some of the power groups, would have provided the framework for large scale protests. But don't think anybody anticipated the situation to worsen so quickly. Now, am hearing reports that Army is trying to control the situation but there is still fear in Kathmandu, specially among elites. 

 

It would be interesting to see which way does Nepal go from here. They were absolute monarchy till 50s with varying degrees of reform resulting in constitutional monarchy in 1990. And at this time, the King was very popular. But, this changed first with the Maoist led civil war and later with the royal massacre. Now, the king has been deposed, Maoists have joined politics and have been the dominant political force. So, where does Nepal go? Back to King Gyanendra, who is not as popular as previous kings but still has loyalty or Maoists, who have failed to provide any stability? Or will it be the elites of Koirala or Rana clan who will emerge as dark horses? 

From internal groups could the maoists be behind this?

[Dolby 754]

14 minutes ago, George_D said:

From internal groups could the maoists be behind this?

Maoists have been the dominant political force. Why would they stoke it? Some of the internal groups not happy with status quo would be monarchists, Madheshi people of Terai region, other elites out of power like Rana family. Apart from these, there is a section which wants reversal to Hindu nation and a growing Christian population, both of whom would want bigger share of power. Just to clarify, not all groups, whether internal or external, would want overthrow of government. Some may want more rights, more power or a seat at table.  

[bestmen 2,903]

Banning social medias is an excellent idea , all that are items of spy ...they know even the color of your wife's string 

[Monzanator 4,768]

God knows how many drones were actually send into Poland. Media are reporting new crash sites as we speak (some even 300 km from the Belarus border aka Lodz voivodeship).

[copravolley 498]

Putin just did a idiot for Trump Poland is the USA largest ally in the region. Even under sleeping Biden administration, situations like this haven't been.

Edited September 10 by copravolley

[copravolley 498]

15 hours ago, bestmen said:

so Satanyahu bombarded Qatar ,he said  the next are  Egypt and Turkiey ...

 

They voted the law to steal lands from Egypt to Turkiey , they will kill all people of this area 

How would you politely call what Putin is doing with Trump about Ukraine/Poland etc?

[heywoodu 16,003]

6 hours ago, copravolley said:

Netherlands in Poland?

Yep, NATO allies

 

Two F-35's flew over our house today, but I don't think they were involved in this, those are probably still stationed in or near Poland