Doping Cases and Bans Thread (2016 & 2017)

[bestmen 2,833]

  On 5/24/2016 at 6:07 PM, heywoodu said:

How do you know they are wrong? 

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there are many proof , the best one :Lance Armstrong these western Labo  confirmed  that he was negative duraing 7 years ( he won 7 tour de france)

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[heywoodu 15,357]

  On 5/24/2016 at 6:11 PM, bestmen said:

 

there are many proof , the best one :Lance Armstrong these western Labo  noticied that he was negative duraing 7 years ( he won 7 tour de france)

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Then which labs should we believe? I mean, apparently in Russian labs they were throwing away urine with doping in it and replace it with clean urine and they're certainly not a Western country. 

 

In Jamaica urine with doping was 'accidentally' not closed correctly so the medal-winning athlete couldn't be banned. 

 

Which labs should we believe then? 

[intoronto 5,903]

  On 5/24/2016 at 6:13 PM, heywoodu said:

Then which labs should we believe? I mean, apparently in Russian labs they were throwing away urine with doping in it and replace it with clean urine and they're certainly not a Western country. 

 

In Jamaica urine with doping was 'accidentally' not closed correctly so the medal-winning athlete couldn't be banned. 

 

Which labs should we believe then? 

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IMO we can't place 100% trust in labs run by countries. This is why WADA needs complete independence...

[heywoodu 15,357]

  On 5/24/2016 at 6:20 PM, intoronto said:

 

IMO we can't place 100% trust in labs run by countries. This is why WADA needs complete independence...

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Absolutely, but even then there will always be people saying "yeah but they're political and ruled by the Western world". Whereas if you let the Russian side of the world dominate it, people will say the exact same thing. It's nearly impossible to get something that everybody would actually agree is fair. 

 

WADA should be a good mix of Western and non-Western people and labs. Get some Americans, some Spaniards, some Chinese, some Russians and bestmen in there and it should be better. 

Edited May 24, 2016 by heywoodu

[bestmen 2,833]

  On 5/24/2016 at 6:13 PM, heywoodu said:

Then which labs should we believe? I mean, apparently in Russian labs they were throwing away urine with doping in it and replace it with clean urine and they're certainly not a Western country. 

 

In Jamaica urine with doping was 'accidentally' not closed correctly so the medal-winning athlete couldn't be banned. 

 

Which labs should we believe then? 

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most of the medalists are positive their results are not human
compare  the world records of 50's -60's and now the difference is very very large cause now  they use much drugs which were not  available in the past

 

so for me  these Labs are cheaters  they make athlets positive/negative like they want

[dcro 10,210]

  On 5/24/2016 at 6:24 PM, heywoodu said:

Absolutely, but even then there will always be people saying "yeah but they're political and ruled by the Western world". Whereas if you let the Russian side of the world dominate it, people will say the exact same thing. It's nearly impossible to get something that everybody would actually agree is fair. 

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We really need those Martians to take care of such things.

[heywoodu 15,357]

  On 5/24/2016 at 6:26 PM, bestmen said:

 

most of the medalists are positive their results are not human
compare  the world records of 50's -60's and now the difference is very very large cause now  they use much drugs which were not  available in the past

 

so for me  these Labs are cheaters  they make athlets positive/negative like they want

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1. It's quite normal that performances improve with huge margins when technology, training, equipment, dieting, professionalism, available money, being able to train full time etc all gets way, way better.

 

2. Not every kind of doping that is being used can be caught by labs. An athlete could be using a substance in such a way that it's nearly impossible for labs to find it (yet). Which is why retesting is important. We see that now, with a whole bunch of cheaters of 2008 being caught.

 

3. You mean non-Western labs are cheaters too right? Because they suddenly make athletes negative, like the Algerian decathlete.

 

4. I agree (unfortunately) that I think most medalists are not clean. Which is sad, but probably won't ever change. 

[bestmen 2,833]

  On 5/24/2016 at 6:30 PM, heywoodu said:

 

1. It's quite normal that performances improve with huge margins when technology, training, equipment, dieting, professionalism, available money, being able to train full time etc all gets way, way better.

 

2. Not every kind of doping that is being used can be caught by labs. An athlete could be using a substance in such a way that it's nearly impossible for labs to find it (yet). Which is why retesting is important. We see that now, with a whole bunch of cheaters of 2008 being caught.

 

3. You mean non-Western labs are cheaters too right? Because they suddenly make athletes negative, like the Algerian decathlete.

 

4. I agree (unfortunately) that I think most medalists are not clean. Which is sad, but probably won't ever change. 

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Bourada didn't win any medal he should get one if he doped

he  was negative cause we havan't these chimical product here ... they tried to destroy him

 

if that's what they want sure  he was positive LOL

[heywoodu 15,357]

  On 5/24/2016 at 6:39 PM, bestmen said:

 

Bourada didn't win any medal he should get one if he doped

he  was negative cause we havan't these chimical product here ... they tried to destroy him

 

if that's what they want sure  he was positive LOL

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So if someone does not win a medal, it's absolutely sure that they didn't use doping? That's not very logical...how about the dozens of positive tests from both Western and non-Western athletes who didn't win a medal? 

[Federer91 2,904]

Like many people have said, just make doping legal and get rid of all this righteousness crap. Either way we know that all professional athletes take medication for everything, legal or not. There was a time when you could become a champion with hard training and normal food, but that time is long gone. Now if you want to be a top athlete you have to take 10 000 things for recovery and etc etc. If that qualifies as a clean athlete, i'm a dolphin. And big freaking deal you "caught" them after 5, 8 or 10 years. WHO CARES NOW, why didn't you do it then, at the moment when everyone was watching, when "clean" athletes moments/careers were taken/altered. Lance Armstrong had to confess, because Wada didn't know shit and wouldn't to this day. They never do when it happens, because they are always behind and will ever be. There will always be a race between the East and West, if you want to categorize it, of who can make a better medication that can help you. In the 70s-80s it was the Eastern Block, than the Chinese, now the West, whatever, it will never stop. That illegal list goes longer and longer with every year, because new things come out with every year. But that thing was legal then and now it isn't and this thing isn't then and now is, BS everywhere. Just like with the meldonium debacle. First it's banned, now it could be allowed, some athletes are banned, now they are clean... Big freaking who that those athletes are now clear Wada, when you have stopped them for no reason for months and ruined there preparation for the Olympic Games or chance of qualification, because of your doubts...