[OFF TOPIC] Politics Thread

[Dragon 2,088]

1 hour ago, Grassmarket said:

It was her successor John Major - who was mostly a failure - who created the National Lottery which turned British sport around.

I think the Thatcher government had no interest in sport whatsoever. Hence their attitude to hooliganism what did a lot more harm than good.

 

Major does deserve a  lot of credit though

[copravolley 657]

9 minutes ago, Dragon said:

I think the Thatcher government had no interest in sport whatsoever. Hence their attitude to hooliganism what did a lot more harm than good.

 

Major does deserve a  lot of credit though

The small Olympic sports will die without public support and the wild liberalism of the early 90s, represented by Tacher, didn`t want to finance such a thing on principle. In such a model, only football, rugby, tennis would survive? What else? Maybe some individual stars from other disciplines? However, it must said that football in England is great now and they have made the best product in the world with the Premier League. 30 years ago, the best product was Serie A, but unfortunately we have stopped developing. Just look at the stadiums in England and in Italy...

Edited June 6, 2025 by copravolley

[Adriano 839]

16 hours ago, copravolley said:

From what I see, this coalition is too diverse to be able to govern effectively (center-right to left). In Italy there is a coalition of 3 parties, but it`s center-right without the left. In addition, Poland has a strange political system with a president elected by the people, who can block the government if he comes from a different political camp. I think that you could change this and switch to a parliamentary system or possibly a presidential (personally I prefer this 1).

Yes it was hard to run, but sill many good things was done. Yes I agree President should be elected like in Italy. 

[Gianlu33 6,062]

1 hour ago, Adriano said:

Yes it was hard to run, but sill many good things was done. Yes I agree President should be elected like in Italy. 

I don't know about Poland, but in Italy it must also be said that the president has very little power and is a figurehead. Usually, with some exceptions, he is liked by almost everyone.

[copravolley 657]

27 minutes ago, Gianlu33 said:

I don't know about Poland, but in Italy it must also be said that the president has very little power and is a figurehead. Usually, with some exceptions, he is liked by almost everyone.

Becouse in Italy, Germany etc there is a parlamentary system when prime minister govern. In Poland there is a mixed system and the actually polarization is so great that a president from another camp will block everything so that the government falls due to this, the country will be paralyzed for 2 years. Such a system would be good in a country and at a time when there is a responsible political class that can reach an agreement on key issues. 

Edited June 6, 2025 by copravolley

[Adriano 839]

8 hours ago, Gianlu33 said:

I don't know about Poland, but in Italy it must also be said that the president has very little power and is a figurehead. Usually, with some exceptions, he is liked by almost everyone.

In Poland the president can reject the bill so he paralyzes the work of the parliament (sejm), if he is from another option. To reject this veto a large majority of the sejm is needed. Additionally, the head of the armed forces has a representative, legislative function and can refer bills to the constitution. so more than in Italy, in my opinion the system of indirect election of the President and his role should be limited in Poland.

[Adriano 839]

8 hours ago, copravolley said:

Becouse in Italy, Germany etc there is a parlamentary system when prime minister govern. In Poland there is a mixed system and the actually polarization is so great that a president from another camp will block everything so that the government falls due to this, the country will be paralyzed for 2 years. Such a system would be good in a country and at a time when there is a responsible political class that can reach an agreement on key issues. 

Yes "responsible political class" but it is not from both main sides and other smaller parties.

[Dnl 729]

14 minutes ago, Adriano said:

In Poland the president can reject the bill so he paralyzes the work of the parliament (sejm), if he is from another option. To reject this veto a large majority of the sejm is needed. Additionally, the head of the armed forces has a representative, legislative function and can refer bills to the constitution. so more than in Italy, in my opinion the system of indirect election of the President and his role should be limited in Poland.

So it’s sound that the most problematic thing is the power imbalance between president and parliament, rather a specific president or perhaps a parliament majority

[copravolley 657]

3 hours ago, Dnl said:

So it’s sound that the most problematic thing is the power imbalance between president and parliament, rather a specific president or perhaps a parliament majority

The two main parties in Poland: PO and PiS, which have dominated the political scene for 20 years, are so at odds with each other and bothing cohabitation between them isn`t possible. This conflict is`t results from the personal history of their leaders and is impossible to resolve now and on the future, until these two leaders leave politics due to old age. The only option is one of them to govern alone (prime minister and president from one of this parties) or a completely independent president to be elected from outside these two political camps, which has never happened since 2005.

Edited June 7, 2025 by copravolley

[copravolley 657]

4 hours ago, Adriano said:

In Poland the president can reject the bill so he paralyzes the work of the parliament (sejm), if he is from another option. To reject this veto a large majority of the sejm is needed. Additionally, the head of the armed forces has a representative, legislative function and can refer bills to the constitution. so more than in Italy, in my opinion the system of indirect election of the President and his role should be limited in Poland.

I think the last independent president in Poland was Aleksander Kwasniewski, if I remember good? And that was in the early 21st century?