Doping Cases and Bans in 2025

[heywoodu 16,465]

50 minutes ago, dullard said:

No they don't have a point at all. They became a WADA code signatory knowing full well their obligations and are failing to meet them and should be ruled non-compliant. The code should be binding on all countries equally.

Sure, but in which sense can WADA regulations override law? It's not dissimilar from criminals, convicted or not, often being named Firstname A. or Firstname X. instead of with their full names. It would be worse if they actually avoid bans, but that doesn't seem to be the case here.

[dullard 744]

Just now, heywoodu said:

Sure, but in which sense can WADA regulations override law? It's not dissimilar from criminals, convicted or not, often being named Firstname A. or Firstname X. instead of with their full names. It would be worse if they actually avoid bans, but that doesn't seem to be the case here.

They can't but they can make Germany non-compliant until Germany resolves the conflicts between domestic law and the WADA code. Depending on the circumstances of the case non compliance can come with some pretty tough consequences including being banned from hosting any international competition that falls under the WADA code and/or being banned from competing at international competitions that fall under the WADA code. 

 

WADA isn't without tools to impose their will but are they willing to use them against an influential Western nation? 

 

What Germany is basically doing is handing out silent bans; something that has been a bit of a conspiracy theory in sports for a long time Germany is actually doing.

[Biathlonfan 836]

1 minute ago, dullard said:

They can't but they can make Germany non-compliant until Germany resolves the conflicts between domestic law and the WADA code. Depending on the circumstances of the case non compliance can come with some pretty tough consequences including being banned from hosting any international competition that falls under the WADA code and/or being banned from competing at international competitions that fall under the WADA code. 

 

WADA isn't without tools to impose their will but are they willing to use them against an influential Western nation? 

 

What Germany is basically doing is handing out silent bans; something that has been a bit of a conspiracy theory in sports for a long time Germany is actually doing.

lol they won't ever do it

[dullard 744]

49 minutes ago, Biathlonfan said:

lol they won't ever do it

Of course not but they'd do it to a less influential country in a heartbeat. 

 

A different possible consequence they could impose is handing control of some of Germany's anti-doping responsibilities to another organisation. Relevant part of the code (below) even mentions Germany's situation where legislation is impeding application of the code but still recommends the nuclear option if even this is prevented by legislation.

 

Edited May 27, 2025 by dullard

[Grassmarket 4,305]

42 minutes ago, dullard said:

They can't but they can make Germany non-compliant until Germany resolves the conflicts between domestic law and the WADA code. Depending on the circumstances of the case non compliance can come with some pretty tough consequences including being banned from hosting any international competition that falls under the WADA code and/or being banned from competing at international competitions that fall under the WADA code. 

 

WADA isn't without tools to impose their will but are they willing to use them against an influential Western nation? 

 

What Germany is basically doing is handing out silent bans; something that has been a bit of a conspiracy theory in sports for a long time Germany is actually doing.

I guess, but if nobody is noticing then the athletes concerned can't be working at a very high level.  A couple of years back I went through 's doping list and it was pretty much all nobodies - boxers with more losses than wins, part-time rugby players, and generally guys who were making more money working as bouncers or bodyguards than they were out of whatever sporting body they were registered with.

Edited May 27, 2025 by Grassmarket

[dullard 744]

9 minutes ago, Grassmarket said:

I guess, but if nobody is noticing then the athletes concerned can't be working at a very high level.  A couple of years back I went through 's doping list and it was pretty much all nobodies - boxers with more losses than wins, part-time rugby players, and generally guys who were making more money working as bouncers or bodyguards than they were out of whatever sporting body they were registered with.

One of them was exposed by a tip off. Are these the achievements of a nobody?

 

Edited May 27, 2025 by dullard

[Faramir 515]

Tbh the article says he was suspended in February, so if anything he can be a example of the fact that an high level athlete will be exposed in a relatively short time anyway. Is there any German elite athlete that has gone suspiciously missing from competitions for a couple years? 

[Swewi 509]

Victoria Carl, Germany, Cross country skiing, Olympia team sprint Champions 2022, tested positive for Clenbuterol.

[Monzanator 5,127]

Ah, classic drug for horses & cattle. No way she goes to next WOG then.

[NearPup 4,184]

29 minutes ago, Monzanator said:

Ah, classic drug for horses & cattle. No way she goes to next WOG then.

Obviously she accidentally injested it when cooking pasta for her horse.

 

(The actual explaination she is giving is that it is cough medicine)

Edited June 25, 2025 by NearPup