Short Track Speed Skating ISU World Tour 2024 - 2025

[Olympian1010 8,251]

25 minutes ago, Gianlu33 said:

But why? Honestly it should be about athletes.

Maybe my analogy was bad. I meant a team points competition based on individual placements in each event.

[Gianlu33 5,303]

6 hours ago, Olympian1010 said:

Maybe my analogy was bad. I meant a team points competition based on individual placements in each event.

Yeah, it was clear. But i repeat, we need it? I think no.

[NearPup 3,558]

3 hours ago, Gianlu33 said:

Yeah, it was clear. But i repeat, we need it? I think no.

I do think we need a rethink of how short track is packaged as a broadcast product given how little money is involved. Pretty hard to make a living in that sport.

[heywoodu 16,059]

27 minutes ago, NearPup said:

I do think we need a rethink of how short track is packaged as a broadcast product given how little money is involved. Pretty hard to make a living in that sport.

But what can be improved? Broadcasting has for years already been excellent, with races that are quite clear to follow and fine graphics that have all we need. How is "Suzanne Schulting for the Dutch Lions!" instead of "Suzanne Schulting from the Netherlands!" going to make it a better 'broadcast product'?

[heywoodu 16,059]

The only thing I can think of that has gotten in the way can be geo-restrictions, like the Fridays being available on YouTube, but not the Saturdays and Sundays, preventing new people from really getting into it. Somehow I doubt a new format means it will be made more welcoming for new viewers though...

Edited October 6, 2024 by heywoodu

[Josh 11,622]

I wish the ISU would make each of the sessions shorter… they all last between 3-5 hours (and sometimes 10 hours with the qualifying sessions) and me personally I find it highly annoying and unnecessary, because there’s so many breaks in between (for ice resurfacing it’s understandable, but it doesn’t take the 15-20 minutes long breaks to do it…)

[heywoodu 16,059]

1 hour ago, Josh said:

I wish the ISU would make each of the sessions shorter… they all last between 3-5 hours (and sometimes 10 hours with the qualifying sessions) and me personally I find it highly annoying and unnecessary, because there’s so many breaks in between (for ice resurfacing it’s understandable, but it doesn’t take the 15-20 minutes long breaks to do it…)

To be fair, the only way to make the qualifying day shorter is by allowing fewer athletes and I really don't think that's a good trade-off for the sport. Qualifying day can be the biggest spectacle one can imagine, it's still not going to draw amazing viewing numbers anyway, since it's basically just laying the foundation for the weekend.

 

Ice resurfacing definitely takes a while if done properly, if pushing it they could maybe get it done just under 15 minutes or so. I'm a little afraid it goes the way of athletics, where things are pushed more and more into ever shorter formats. Shorttrack days and sessions can only realistically be made shorter if they spread a World Cup out over 4 instead of 3 days, but it's not like Thursday is going to be a massive audience day.

[heywoodu 16,059]

Starts in two days, but there appears to still be a distinct lack of any kind of schedule...?

https://short-track.com/

 

What am I missing? @Josh Any chance you have more success in finding a schedule? There is no 'event page' or something, like you see in F1, MotoGP, every single FIS sport, etc. No menu, only a link to buy tickets, but...nothing else. Not even a start time (but of course we'd want to have the actual schedule and not just 'oh they start at 9-ish on Saturday morning').

 

Edit: the Speedskating Canada website isn't very helpful neither, although it does at least have a start time (but still no schedule that says exactly what's when). Also a 'Detailed schedule' button that leads back to the top of the page  

 

Edited October 23, 2024 by heywoodu

[NearPup 3,558]

5 hours ago, heywoodu said:

Starts in two days, but there appears to still be a distinct lack of any kind of schedule...?

https://short-track.com/

 

What am I missing? @Josh Any chance you have more success in finding a schedule? There is no 'event page' or something, like you see in F1, MotoGP, every single FIS sport, etc. No menu, only a link to buy tickets, but...nothing else. Not even a start time (but of course we'd want to have the actual schedule and not just 'oh they start at 9-ish on Saturday morning').

 

Edit: the Speedskating Canada website isn't very helpful neither, although it does at least have a start time (but still no schedule that says exactly what's when). Also a 'Detailed schedule' button that leads back to the top of the page  

 

 

Not having a schedule makes it more Gen Z friendly, it makes the event more spontaneous, urban and gender neutral.

[heywoodu 16,059]

3 hours ago, NearPup said:

Not having a schedule makes it more Gen Z friendly, it makes the event more spontaneous, urban and gender neutral.

Sure, and I get it's all great for the climate and everything, but we want to know what we can watch and when