Boxing at the European Games 2023

[rybak 3,233]

At least Wójcik did win in QF, but in this weight only finalists will qualify, so, I really doubt at this rate that she will win in semis....

[Matteo92 98]

15 minutes ago, ChandlerMne said:

Now when IOC governs boxing, why dont they name those corrupt ones and penalise them? I would like to see that, really would.

I can relate with your statements but its just ones POV. Mine or yours, no matter.

I think that every organisation in sport also has ethical comitee. Why dont they react? Is IOC also corrupt?

Well, it's one thing to 'know' a referee is corrupt and another thing to be able to prove that he is corrupt. You and I can watch a fight (or several fights) and conclude the referee is corrupt, but that's not how courts work or committees (fortunately, of course).

[ChandlerMne 1,059]

1 minute ago, Olympian1010 said:

Yes.

Its like believing that western states are democratic ones, same thing. 

Whole world is corrupt, thats the way it is.

Clean sport is impossible, when every governing body is corrupt.

 

[Olympian1010 8,053]

13 minutes ago, ChandlerMne said:

Now when IOC governs boxing, why dont they name those corrupt ones and penalise them? I would like to see that, really would.

I think they don’t for a variety of reasons and concerns. My guess is that they’re worried about looking inept or incapable of organizing a sport they willingly took over for starters. I’m not saying they would if they were to punish biased judges and referees, but I think that concern exists for them. I would also imagine they want to maintain a good relationship with boxing judges and referees, so they have people willing to staff tournaments. A boycott, strike, etc. by referees and judges could really complicate things. 
 

I’m sure there’s a dozen other concerns like those too.

[Olympian1010 8,053]

1 minute ago, ChandlerMne said:

Its like believing that western states are democratic ones, same thing. 

Whole world is corrupt, thats the way it is.

Clean sport is impossible, when every governing body is corrupt.

 

Just to clear up my response to that question, it was more a general joke about the IOC than anything to do with the current conversation 

[ChandlerMne 1,059]

Just now, Matteo92 said:

Well, it's one thing to 'know' a referee is corrupt and another thing to be able to prove that he is corrupt. You and I can watch a fight (or several fights) and conclude the referee is corrupt, but that's not how courts work or committees (fortunately, of course).

Dont know if you were a Totallympics member back in 2012 but we had same discussions before London games.

Nothing has changed. 

Refs were biased even then. 

Same will be in 40 years. Only clean victory in boxing in KO. Any other outcome gives an opportunity to manipulate.

[ChandlerMne 1,059]

2 minutes ago, Olympian1010 said:

Just to clear up my response to that question, it was more a general joke about the IOC than anything to do with the current conversation 

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Quotas

 

Men's 63.5kg -        

Men's 80kg -        

Women's 50kg -       

Women's 54kg -        

Women's 57kg -        

Women's 60kg -        

Women's 66kg -        

 

Quota matches

 

Men's 51kg -  v  |  v  

Men's 57kg -  v  |  v  |  v  |  v  

Men's 71kg -  v  |  v  |  v  |  v  

Men's 92kg -  v  |  v  

Women's 75kg -  v  |  v  

 

QFs in weights classes where the SFs will be the quota matches

 

Men's +92kg -  v  |  v  |  v  |  v  

 

[Quotas] (quota match + just regular QF)

 

[4] 3+0 

[4] 2+0  

[3] 2+0    

[2] 1+1   

[2] 1+0  

[1] 2+1  

[1] 1+1  

[1] 1+0     

[1]     

2+1   

2+0   

1+0    

0+1    

[ChandlerMne 1,059]

4 minutes ago, Olympian1010 said:

I think they don’t for a variety of reasons and concerns. My guess is that they’re worried about looking inept or incapable of organizing a sport they willingly took over for starters. I’m not saying they would if they were to punish biased judges and referees, but I think that concern exists for them. I would also imagine they want to maintain a good relationship with boxing judges and referees, so they have people willing to staff tournaments. A boycott, strike, etc. by referees and judges could really complicate things. 
 

I’m sure there’s a dozen other concerns like those too.

Could be...

One option would be to invite famous PRO refs to be part of some new system.

They should be less prone to any bias or coruption. At least for starters.

[Federer91 2,861]

Tokyo numbers of 1 man and 2 women have been equaled, so the minimum expectations have been achieved. We still have 1 more category, but chances there aren't big. I'm confident we can get a couple more quotas from the 2 WQT.