Doping Cases and Bans Thread (2016 & 2017)

[FC Mezhgorye 135]

Now the whole world of sports is divided into 2 parts. 1. Those who take dope secretly (such as Russia ), and 2. Who makes the dope through TUE's. And if the first catch, the latter getting the advantage of "legitimate". I can't imagine what hurt the Williams sisters, that they can take as many hard drugs. The participants of the Paralympics should be more healthy people. In addition, recent history with Dr. Brown and Salazar showed that diagnoses can be set just so important in time and correctly issue TUE's than many strong athletes (as Phelps, Williams, Norwegian biathletes and cross-country skiers) are. I believe that if the drug is in the black list WADA, that under no pretext can't be used. If a person is sick and can't compete without these drugs, then it has no place in sport.

[dcro 10,210]

46 minutes ago, FC Mezhgorye said:

Now the whole world of sports is divided into 2 parts. 1. Those who take dope secretly (such as Russia ), and 2. Who makes the dope through TUE's. And if the first catch, the latter getting the advantage of "legitimate". I can't imagine what hurt the Williams sisters, that they can take as many hard drugs. The participants of the Paralympics should be more healthy people. In addition, recent history with Dr. Brown and Salazar showed that diagnoses can be set just so important in time and correctly issue TUE's than many strong athletes (as Phelps, Williams, Norwegian biathletes and cross-country skiers) are. I believe that if the drug is in the black list WADA, that under no pretext can't be used. If a person is sick and can't compete without these drugs, then it has no place in sport.

 

Why doesn't whole Russia also "dope through TUE"? Legal and effective, perfect.

And the thought of sick people not being allowed to compete is proposterous. That's asking them to compete only if they are willing to compromise their health but not taking medicine. I'm not familiar with Williams' sisters conditions (although Venus does have a known problem apparently), but for example the medicine that Biles is taking has nothing to do with her physical conditioning, it's just an ADHD medicine she's been taking since the tender age. So, medicine for her nerve system.

 

Also remember cases like Justyna Kowalczyk and Oksana Baiul for example. They were on painkillers when they won their Olympic medals because they just couldn't compete without them after getting injured...

 

And talking about getting a lot of painkillers...Dressage rider Anna Kasprzak competed at European Championships last year with a broken sternum and ribs after a horse kicked her in the chest a day before the start. Doctors gave her 21 different painkillers.

Edited September 14, 2016 by dcro

[FC Mezhgorye 135]

1 минуту назад, dcro сказал:

 

Why doesn't whole Russia also "dope through TUE"? Legal and effective, perfect.

And the thought of sick people not being allowed to compete is proposterous. That's asking them to compete only if they are willing to compromise their health but not taking medicine. I'm not familiar with Williams' sisters conditions (although Venus does have a known problem apparently), but for example the medicine that Biles is taking has nothing to do with her physical conditioning, it's just an ADHD medicine she's been taking since the tender age. So, medicine for her nerve system.

 

Also remember cases like Justyna Kowalczyk and Oksana Baiul for example. They were on painkillers when they won their Olympic medals because they just couldn't compete without them after getting injured...

 

And talking about getting a lot of painkillers...Dressage rider Anna Kasprzak competed at European Championships last year with a broken sternum and ribs after her horse kicked her in the chest day before the start. Doctors gave her 21 different painkillers.

We have athletes who use the TUE, but they are few. We have a very poor medical and legal training in athletes, coaches and doctors. They are from the time of the Soviet Union used to the simple methods work. For them, the registration of such securities - it's hard to do. We do not have the normal legal education. Therefore, athletes often fall for doping. They do what they are told. And they are often used to achieve the objectives.

 

About painkillers I agree. But now it has become very popular, "to hurt heavy disease" that only illegal drugs can be cured. Nobody prevents to some American doctors come up with for an athlete's disease and make a recommendation for use of illicit drugs. I really want to have an independent IOC medical commission, consisting of representatives of many countries that have athletes tested for the presence of diseases, and reaffirms the recommendations of the national doctors.

[stefanbg 166]

38 minutes ago, dcro said:

 

Why doesn't whole Russia also "dope through TUE"? Legal and effective, perfect.

And the thought of sick people not being allowed to compete is proposterous. That's asking them to compete only if they are willing to compromise their health but not taking medicine. I'm not familiar with Williams' sisters conditions (although Venus does have a known problem apparently), but for example the medicine that Biles is taking has nothing to do with her physical conditioning, it's just an ADHD medicine she's been taking since the tender age. So, medicine for her nerve system.

 

Also remember cases like Justyna Kowalczyk and Oksana Baiul for example. They were on painkillers when they won their Olympic medals because they just couldn't compete without them after getting injured...

 

And talking about getting a lot of painkillers...Dressage rider Anna Kasprzak competed at European Championships last year with a broken sternum and ribs after a horse kicked her in the chest a day before the start. Doctors gave her 21 different painkillers.

 

I think when the body of an athlete says 'no' then they should stop, not taking a pile of medicine to carry on. It is a moral rather than a legal issue. What example are these girls giving to youth - when you are sick you should drug yourself to win at all cost. To me this is no different compared to any legally caught cheater. No matter the tons of paperwork behind it.

[Federer91 3,368]

Everything is fair in war and sport. 

[bestmen 2,917]

WADA has been hacked by Russians

 

WADA hacked by Russian cyber espionage group Fancy Bear, agency says

 

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2016-09-14/doping-wada-systems-hacked-by-russian-cyber-espionage-group/7842644

 

https://www.wada-ama.org/en/media/news/2016-09/wada-confirms-attack-by-russian-cyber-espionage-group

 

Edited September 14, 2016 by bestmen

[dcro 10,210]

12 minutes ago, stefanbg said:

 

I think when the body of an athlete says 'no' then they should stop, not taking a pile of medicine to carry on. It is a moral rather than a legal issue. What example are these girls giving to youth - when you are sick you should drug yourself to win at all cost. To me this is no different compared to any legally caught cheater. No matter the tons of paperwork behind it.

 

I guess it can seem that way. Though we have to remember that sport is pretty much the only thing that professional athletes do, so taking painkillers and pushing to the limits to survive one competition might seem very logical to them, especially if that's Olympic competition.

[FC Mezhgorye 135]

3 минуты назад, dcro сказал:

 

I guess it can seem that way. Though we have to remember that sport is pretty much the only thing that professional athletes do, so taking painkillers and pushing to the limits to survive one competition might seem very logical to them, especially if that's Olympic competition.

Finis sanctificat media.

[Dmitry 93]

A lot of new athletes with TUE are here


 

[Federer91 3,368]

Not surprised to see some familiar cycling names there.