Wrestling Qualification to Summer Olympic Games Paris 2024 Road to Paris 2024

[phelps 6,885]

5 minutes ago, MHSN said:

let me give you a detailed answer 

 

people who know nothing about this sport usually can't understand the difference between GR and FS. I even remember some "wise" people even in totallympics suggested having 3 GR weights and 3 FS weights, like a wrestler can easily switch between styles. 50 years ago? maybe but nowadays you can't find a single wrestler in high level who tries both styles (yeah Taishi Narikuni tried Greco after winning the world title in FS but failed miserably) 

kids switch styles when they are younger to find what they can do better. but when they settle into one of those two styles that never changes. 

 

those genius guys in UWW (previously FILA) tried to find a way to show the world these styles are different. as far as I know they came up with two solutions. (there were other solutions like having different mat colors but that was costly)

 

1) let the Greco guys wrestle naked ! obviously I mean just the upper body  I remember I heard one of their officials saying that's more "attractive" 

2) having different weight classes

 

they eventually went for #2. this way they just want to show the world these styles are different. and yes I know this is extremely stupid but UWW/FILA officials were never smart

except for our Cuban friend, Oscar Pino Hinds 

OK, in Freestyle he only won medals at Panamerican level, but still...it was a great achievement, I think

[NearPup 2,167]

12 minutes ago, MHSN said:

1) let the Greco guys wrestle naked ! obviously I mean just the upper body  I remember I heard one of their officials saying that's more "attractive" 

This is obviously correct but does not go far enough :P

[rafalgorka 1,386]

@LarajaNo, we didn’t understand one another here. I know the difference between greco and freestyle, it’s pretty obvious . My question about difference weight categories was: why there is 125kg category in freestyle but 130kg in greco??? 57kg in freestyle but 60kg in greco??? What’s the point here? 

Edited October 26, 2023 by rafalgorka

[MHSN 3,221]

7 minutes ago, phelps said:

except for our Cuban friend, Oscar Pino Hinds 

OK, in Freestyle he only won medals at Panamerican level, but still...it was a great achievement, I think

actually that wasn't his decision just because he is good in both styles  he was forced to do that because of the great Lopez. that was a desperate try to just be in the Olympics, he knew top FS guys will beat him quite easily

 

poor guy tried FS for few months and when he went to the Pan-Am qualifiers he was told "no sorry you can't wrestle because you won a quota for Cuba before" 

 

I don't know what's in his mind this time, will he try to beat Lopez ? I mean he is 100 years old and Pino is like a giant, he has to beat Lopez but yeah Lopez is not human  aging doesn't apply to him.

 

ps: same as 2020, Pino can't qualify in FS because he already won a quota for Cuba in GR.

[Adriano 455]

1 hour ago, NearPup said:

This is obviously correct but does not go far enough :P

Can we do this the same in men's judo?

[NearPup 2,167]

1 minute ago, Adriano said:

Can we do this the same in men's judo?

They need to wear a gi jacket and a belt, but no reason to *have* to wear anything else, really.

[Laraja 1,371]

1 hour ago, rafalgorka said:

@LarajaNo, we didn’t understand one another here. I know the difference between greco and freestyle, it’s pretty obvious . My question about difference weight categories was: why there is 125kg category in freestyle but 130kg in greco??? 57kg in freestyle but 60kg in greco??? What’s the point here? 

Ah yeah, I just skipped the word "weight" haha

 

 But Mhsn has already answered that previously

[phelps 6,885]

10 hours ago, NearPup said:

They need to wear a gi jacket and a belt, but no reason to *have* to wear anything else, really.

naaa, the "judogi" is the full set of jacket, pants and belt (and for the women, the white t-shirt under the jacket is also mandatory) 

[phelps 6,885]

11 hours ago, MHSN said:

actually that wasn't his decision just because he is good in both styles  he was forced to do that because of the great Lopez. that was a desperate try to just be in the Olympics, he knew top FS guys will beat him quite easily

 

poor guy tried FS for few months and when he went to the Pan-Am qualifiers he was told "no sorry you can't wrestle because you won a quota for Cuba before" 

 

I don't know what's in his mind this time, will he try to beat Lopez ? I mean he is 100 years old and Pino is like a giant, he has to beat Lopez but yeah Lopez is not human  aging doesn't apply to him.

 

ps: same as 2020, Pino can't qualify in FS because he already won a quota for Cuba in GR.

yeah, I know all the drama behind Oscar's situation...it was just to remark how he represents a true exception for Today's standard

 

I'm really a fan of him and I hope he can somehow get the chance to win an Olympic medal

[MHSN 3,221]

UWW made some changes for the OQTs. no final, no repechage for continental OQTs ...

 

not a bad idea, those matches were useless and most wrestlers had to make a funny excuse to withdraw

but they didn't mention what if someone fails a drug test ? who will get the quota ? the most obvious answer is whoever lost to him in the SF

 

https://uww.org/article/four-seeds-no-finals-uww-approves-new-format-2024-olympic-qualifiers