Fencing Qualification to Summer Olympic Games Paris 2024

[Faramir 515]

Not trying to answer to everything (it would take a long post of repeating word for word the same things said yesterday or 1 month ago over and over), just want to point out that:

 

1) Ilieva, even if she fails today, and Llavador are 99% getting in with reallocation;

 

2) the FIE absolutely and rightly wants to keep 12 olympic events,which they manager to get at Tokyo 2021 for the first time, and thinking that the IOC would keep the same number of quotas for fencing if they get rid of the team events is pure nonsense (and, sorry to say it, but it doesn't surprise me that the suggestion come from someone who barely follows the sports). With only 6 events it's way more likely that there'd be a much smaller field.

 

Anyway the IOC also wrote to the FIE making clear that they consider the fencing qualification system a good one. You can read hundreds of page long transcripts of the FIE meetings on their website, in the last few years most of the time was spent discussing first the olympic qualification and then the Russian status.

[Epic Failure 364]

Acknowledging the reality of the situation (that the current system might be the best deal that the FIE is going to get from the IOC) and not being a particular fan of the sport doesn't invalidate someone's opinion of the qualification system as a neutral observer. Discussing a hypothetical preferred system is just that - a hypothetical.

 

Both things can be true - it can be the best realistic system *and* still not a good system.

 

And the fact that the IOC likes it doesn't change that. I'm fairly certain there's a bunch of things the IOC likes that I would consider bad. Which include the qualification systems for a bunch of sports at the games, not just fencing.

 

 

Edited April 28, 2024 by Epic Failure

[Faramir 515]

Ilieva and Tulen gets the last spots. Now, since France had no need to use any host quota, there are 8 universality places for tripartite nations- too many, considering that a few of them qualified on their own. So some of them will be reallocated.

 

"if the Tripartite Commission is not able to allocate Universality Place(s), such unallocated Place(s) will be attributed by the FIE to the next highest-ranked eligible athlete in the Individual Senior Adjusted Official Ranking (AOR) as of 1 April 2024, across all weapon and all FIE Zones, but strictly respecting the following:

- The maximum number of athletes in each individual event (37) and

- The NOC must not have any athlete already qualified in the corresponding individual event "

 

The first eligible fencers in order should be

RANK	FENCER	NOC	POINTS
13	LLAVADOR Carlos	ESP	98	m foil
17	XIAO Ruien	CAN	76,5	w epee
19	BASHTA Anna	AZE	75	w sabre
20	ERBIL Nisanur	TUR	71	w sabre
23	BAYARD Alexis	SUI	68	m epee
23	TEODOSIU Iulian	ROU	66	m sabre
25	DI TELLA Isabel	ARG	58	w epee
28	PEREIRA Yulen	ESP	55	m epee
****	EIFLER Larissa	GER	58,5	w sabre

Edited April 28, 2024 by Faramir

[JoshMartini007 2,820]

I think a few will be awarded to tripartite nations, but I don't see it being more than four so the top half of that list looks pretty safe.

[Cinnamon Bun 911]

26 minutes ago, Faramir said:

Ilieva and Tulen gets the last spots. Now, since France had no need to use any host quota, there are 8 universality places for tripartite nations- too many, considering that a few of them qualified on their own. So some of them will be reallocated.

 

"if the Tripartite Commission is not able to allocate Universality Place(s), such unallocated Place(s) will be attributed by the FIE to the next highest-ranked eligible athlete in the Individual Senior Adjusted Official Ranking (AOR) as of 1 April 2024, across all weapon and all FIE Zones, but strictly respecting the following:

- The maximum number of athletes in each individual event (37) and

- The NOC must not have any athlete already qualified in the corresponding individual event "

 

The first eligible fencers in order should be

RANK	FENCER	NOC	POINTS
13	LLAVADOR Carlos	ESP	98	m foil
17	XIAO Ruien	CAN	76,5	w epee
19	BASHTA Anna	AZE	75	w sabre
20	ERBIL Nisanur	TUR	71	w sabre
23	BAYARD Alexis	SUI	68	m epee
23	TEODOSIU Iulian	ROU	66	m sabre
25	DI TELLA Isabel	ARG	58	w epee
28	FRAZAO Miguel	POR	55,5	m epee

How likely is it that all 8 of these will get spots and how many do you reckon will use universality/tripartite places? 

[Faramir 515]

23 minutes ago, Cinnamon Bun said:

How likely is it that all 8 of these will get spots and how many do you reckon will use universality/tripartite places? 

Wait...first a few quotas will be given to tripartite nations (ex  ,...let's say from 2 to 4 as JoshMartini007 said), then the rest will be reallocated to those fencers in the list in order - I wrote the first 8 but it's pretty much impossible that all 8 get the quota. I guess nobody will refuse barring big injuries.

[Cobi 1,024]

1 hour ago, Faramir said:

Ilieva and Tulen gets the last spots. Now, since France had no need to use any host quota, there are 8 universality places for tripartite nations- too many, considering that a few of them qualified on their own. So some of them will be reallocated.

 

"if the Tripartite Commission is not able to allocate Universality Place(s), such unallocated Place(s) will be attributed by the FIE to the next highest-ranked eligible athlete in the Individual Senior Adjusted Official Ranking (AOR) as of 1 April 2024, across all weapon and all FIE Zones, but strictly respecting the following:

- The maximum number of athletes in each individual event (37) and

- The NOC must not have any athlete already qualified in the corresponding individual event "

 

The first eligible fencers in order should be

RANK	FENCER	NOC	POINTS
13	LLAVADOR Carlos	ESP	98	m foil
17	XIAO Ruien	CAN	76,5	w epee
19	BASHTA Anna	AZE	75	w sabre
20	ERBIL Nisanur	TUR	71	w sabre
23	BAYARD Alexis	SUI	68	m epee
23	TEODOSIU Iulian	ROU	66	m sabre
25	DI TELLA Isabel	ARG	58	w epee
28	PEREIRA Yulen	ESP	55	m epee

I think you are missing Eifler in sabre with 58.5 points.

[JoshMartini007 2,820]

Here are eligible tripartite nations which competed at the zone qualifiers. While technically not a requirement to be selected, I don't want to go through the entire rankings and consider athletes whom competed at a random event. At least here they had the goal of trying to qualify to the Olympics. Additionally, I removed tripartite nations which already qualified an athlete in a different event. The tripartite committee rarely awards quotas to nations already with quotas.

 

- M Epee

- M Foil

- W Epee, W Foil

- W Foil, W Sabre

- M Epee

- M Sabre

- M Epee

- M Epee, M Foil

- M Epee, M Foil, M Sabre

- M Epee, M Foil, M Sabre, W Sabre

- M Epee

- M Epee

- M Epee, M Foil, M Sabre, W Sabre

- M Epee, M Foil, W Epee, W Foil

- W Epee

- W Sabre

 

Most of the athletes did poorly at their zonal qualifiers. Additionally, the nation has to formally apply for the quota months ago. Considering fencing had no direct tripartite quotas, some nations may have skipped applying for it in favour of other events.

 

I hope Cabo Verde and Mali get a quota, but we'll see.

Edited April 28, 2024 by JoshMartini007

[dcro 10,210]

19 minutes ago, JoshMartini007 said:

Most of the athletes did poorly at their zonal qualifiers. Additionally, the nation has to formally apply for the quota months ago. Considering fencing had no direct tripartite quotas, some nations may have skipped applying for it in favour of other events.

But then again, everyone knew France wouldn't need host quotas in fencing, at least not all of them, so it looked very probable from the start that tripartite spots would be on offer for the first time since 2008.

 

Hency why I belive all of them will be allocated.

[Jur 689]

I think that they are going to award one in each event, and the remaining two to the reallocation.