stefanbg 155 Posted January 8, 2018 #21 Share Posted January 8, 2018 1 minute ago, heywoodu said: That would be so disappointing In my opinion, 50km classic mass start is the single 'highlight event' of the winter sports calendar Well freestyle is far more popular and competitive nowadays. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
heywoodu 13,560 Posted January 8, 2018 #22 Share Posted January 8, 2018 5 minutes ago, stefanbg said: Well freestyle is far more popular and competitive nowadays. I know, but that it's more popular doesn't mean it's automatically better. Anyone can easily learn freestyle, learning classic requires much more dedication, which makes it harder, but definitely increases the 'epicness' of the event (just like the marathon vs the 50km race walk). If you'd like to help our fellow Totallympics member Bruna Moura get to the 2026 Winter Olympics, after her car crash on the way to the 2022 Olympics, every tiny bit of help would be greatly appreciated! Full story and how to help can be found here! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Agger 1,591 Posted January 8, 2018 #23 Share Posted January 8, 2018 10 minutes ago, heywoodu said: That would be so disappointing In my opinion, 50km classic mass start is the single 'highlight event' of the winter sports calendar Nah. It was a highlight when it was an interval start! dcro 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
intoronto 4,244 Posted January 8, 2018 #24 Share Posted January 8, 2018 17 minutes ago, heywoodu said: Although then for monobob I'd say there should be the same kind of criteria as for women's Nordic combined: first a good number of years with full World Cup competition so it's not still a new event/sport when added to the Olympics. Without a doubt there needs to be a consistent world cup that develops the sport first. heywoodu 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stefanbg 155 Posted January 8, 2018 #25 Share Posted January 8, 2018 21 minutes ago, heywoodu said: I know, but that it's more popular doesn't mean it's automatically better. Anyone can easily learn freestyle, learning classic requires much more dedication, which makes it harder, but definitely increases the 'epicness' of the event (just like the marathon vs the 50km race walk). Definitely not against classic (note: I proposed addition of an extra middle distance start, which favours classic in a way ) What I think is that in order to be even more epic an event needs some heroes. How is the 50k champion supposed to defend his title when the style changes with the Olympiad? Having to wait for 8 years makes the event epic in terms of anticipation but takes out the charm of defending the title. If I can compare marathon with race walking I would guess marathon is the mainstream, less technique, more attractive freestyle where race walking should be the technique demanding, few specialists event, where someone dominates before the race has even started 50K race walking is epic too but people tune in mainly for the marathon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
heywoodu 13,560 Posted January 8, 2018 #26 Share Posted January 8, 2018 6 minutes ago, stefanbg said: Definitely not against classic (note: I proposed addition of an extra middle distance start, which favours classic in a way ) What I think is that in order to be even more epic an event needs some heroes. How is the 50k champion supposed to defend his title when the style changes with the Olympiad? Having to wait for 8 years makes the event epic in terms of anticipation but takes out the charm of defending the title. If I can compare marathon with race walking I would guess marathon is the mainstream, less technique, more attractive freestyle where race walking should be the technique demanding, few specialists event, where someone dominates before the race has even started 50K race walking is epic too but people tune in mainly for the marathon. Exactly, which is why I'd say the 50k mass start should always be classic (well in fact it should change, but if it doesn't change, it should stay classic ) stefanbg 1 If you'd like to help our fellow Totallympics member Bruna Moura get to the 2026 Winter Olympics, after her car crash on the way to the 2022 Olympics, every tiny bit of help would be greatly appreciated! Full story and how to help can be found here! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hckošice 13,267 Posted January 8, 2018 #27 Share Posted January 8, 2018 51 minutes ago, heywoodu said: Or outside Belgium (and a little bit the Netherlands) even, to be honest Cyclo-Cross is very popular in Czech Republic too Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
heywoodu 13,560 Posted January 8, 2018 #28 Share Posted January 8, 2018 (edited) 3 minutes ago, hckosice said: Cyclo-Cross is very popular in Czech Republic too Ah yeah, how could I forget the country of Stybar and Simunek (the guy who was usually nowhere, but when the course was full of snow suddenly came and fought for the win, fantastic specialist) Edited January 8, 2018 by heywoodu If you'd like to help our fellow Totallympics member Bruna Moura get to the 2026 Winter Olympics, after her car crash on the way to the 2022 Olympics, every tiny bit of help would be greatly appreciated! Full story and how to help can be found here! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
De_Gambassi 896 Posted January 8, 2018 #29 Share Posted January 8, 2018 (edited) Guidelines: - The biggest sports must prevail - Because "we can" should not be a reason enough to include an event - "Gender Equity" is okish for the Winter Olympics as it doesn't really prevent more competive sports/event to be included. Alpine Skiing [11 -> 13] Slalom (m/w) Giant Slalom (m/w) Super-G (m/w) Downhill (m/w) Combined (m/w) Parralel Slalom (m/w) Team Event (mixed) Biathlon [11 -> 11] Sprint (m/w) Pursuit (m/w) Individual (m/w) Mass Start (m/w) Team Relay (m/w/mixed) Bobsleigh [3 -> 3] Two-man/woman (m/w) Four-man (m) Cross-Country Skiing [12 -> 14] 15/10km Freestyle (m/w) 30/15km Skiathlon (m/w) 50/30km Classical (m/w) 4x10/5km Relay (m/w) Individual Sprint (m/w) Team Sprint (m/w) Cross (m/w) Curling [3 -> 2] Tournament (m/w) Mixed Doubles (mixed) Figure Skating [5 -> 5] Singles (m/w) Pairs (mixed) Ice Dancing (mixed) Team Event (mixed) Freestyle Skiing [10 -> 7] Aerials (m/w) Moguls (m/w) Halfpipe (m/w) (-> Snowboarding) Slopestyle (m/w) (-> Snowboarding) Ski Cross (m/w) Ski Cross Team (mixed) Note; I'd consider Dual Mogul if it was offering something different from mogul (perhaps something based on speed only ?) Ice Hockey [2] Tournament (m/w) Luge [4 -> 3] Singles (m/w) Doubles (m) Team Relay (mixed) Nordic Combined [3 -> 4] Individual Normal Hill/10km (m/w) (no rush though) Individual Large Hill/10km (m) Team Large Hill/4x5km Relay (m) Short Track Speed Skating [8 -> 8] 500m (m/w) 1000m (m/w) 1500m (m/w) 5000m/3000m Relay (m/w) Madisson (m/w) Skeleton [2] Singles (m/w) Ski Jumping [4] Normal Hill (m/w) Large Hill (m) Large Hill Team (m) Team event (Somehow...) Snowboarding [10 -> 13] Halfpipe (m/w) Slopestyle (m/w) Big Air (m/w) Parallel Giant Slalom (m/w) Snowboard Cross (m/w) Giant Slalom (like in not Parralel Giant slalom) (m/w) Parralel Slalom (m/w) Snowboard Cross Team (mixed) Speed Skating [14] 500m (m/w) 1000m (m/w) 1500m (m/w) 3000m (w) 5000m (m/w) 10,000m (m) Mass Start (m/w) Team Pursuit (m/w) Point's Race (yeah, why not) Ski Mountaineering [0 -> 3] Sprint (m/w) Relay (mixed) Bandy [0 -> 1] (optional, if money or infrastructure is not a problem) Tournament (m) Total medel events: 109 in 17 sports Total athletes: --- Days of competition: 18 (including Day -1 and Day 0 before the Opening Ceremony) To be considered also: Ice Cross, Ice Climbing and Telemark. Edited January 8, 2018 by De_Gambassi Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
intoronto 4,244 Posted January 8, 2018 #30 Share Posted January 8, 2018 Maybe as a new sport: "snowkite" Recently announced was a world cup series to begin shortly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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