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[heywoodu 16,468]

Congratulations Hungary

 

[hckošice 16,636]

13 hours ago, hckošice said:

One gone. Slovakia next please

Memes starting everywhere 

 

Oh ! Please Mr. the vicepresident please come to visit our country before our elections as well ! 

 

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[Federer91 3,389]

11 hours ago, copravolley said:

This Radev new party?  He was there president for many years and is theoretically considered a Social Democrat? GERB was probably also pro-Russian, and it ruled there for many years. Bulgaria is generally strongly pro-Russian, that`s true? Besides, there hasn't been a stable majority there for 4/5 years, so just because Radev's party wins, is there a guarantee it will be able to govern the same? I don't know much about Bulgarian politics, so I'm only writing what I know.

 

GERB actually aren't pro-Russian. They have always been pro-EU and Europe oriented and joining Shengen and the Eurozone happened in part because of them, though with a huge delay. They however have very well used the pro-EU stance to hide the rampant stealing of public funds and corruption surrounding their 10+ year ruling, which is the main reason people protested against them so many times. A bit Orban-esq they have also pretty much filled all institutions with their people, so it's hard to clean their mess.

 

Radev on the other hand has always been a pro-Russian proxy, though unlike Orban he is much more calculated with his words and actions. He is taking the "diplomatic" and "national" approach, though if you listen to his comments they are clearly favouring Russia. 

 

Even though this guy was President for many years, that position is without much power here, so he hasn't had the chance to do much trouble. But he did manage to plant his seeds in many people's heads, as he always blamed whichever party was ruling for all the troubles in the country and many believe he is our new "saviour". 

 

Compared to Hungary, the situation here is much more complex, as there isn't anyone as popular are Magyar and there are several strong parties, which always get practically the same number of votes.

 

Radev is surely winning, though the hopes are for the sane people to do damage control. But the truth is there aren't any many good choices, so it's going to be a lose-lose situation. 

 

I don't expect a coalition to be formed, but it will depend on the number of parties passing the 4% threshold. So yeah, we are once again hitting the never-ending elections cycle, which the country has spun into since 2021. 

 

 

[copravolley 653]

32 minutes ago, Federer91 said:

 

GERB actually aren't pro-Russian. They have always been pro-EU and Europe oriented and joining Shengen and the Eurozone happened in part because of them, though with a huge delay. They however have very well used the pro-EU stance to hide the rampant stealing of public funds and corruption surrounding their 10+ year ruling, which is the main reason people protested against them so many times. A bit Orban-esq they have also pretty much filled all institutions with their people, so it's hard to clean their mess.

 

Radev on the other hand has always been a pro-Russian proxy, though unlike Orban he is much more calculated with his words and actions. He is taking the "diplomatic" and "national" approach, though if you listen to his comments they are clearly favouring Russia. 

 

Even though this guy was President for many years, that position is without much power here, so he hasn't had the chance to do much trouble. But he did manage to plant his seeds in many people's heads, as he always blamed whichever party was ruling for all the troubles in the country and many believe he is our new "saviour". 

 

Compared to Hungary, the situation here is much more complex, as there isn't anyone as popular are Magyar and there are several strong parties, which always get practically the same number of votes.

 

Radev is surely winning, though the hopes are for the sane people to do damage control. But the truth is there aren't any many good choices, so it's going to be a lose-lose situation. 

 

I don't expect a coalition to be formed, but it will depend on the number of parties passing the 4% threshold. So yeah, we are once again hitting the never-ending elections cycle, which the country has spun into since 2021. 

 

 

I know that the PP was definitely pro-European and anti-Russian- they had a prime minister at the very beginning of the war in 2022. Unfortunately, GERB was always corrupt, although it remained in the EPP on EU Parlament all- time. The PP was probably the best option, but unfortunately, they seem to have lost a lot of public support recently.

[Federer91 3,389]

9 minutes ago, copravolley said:

I know that the PP was definitely pro-European and anti-Russian- they had a prime minister at the very beginning of the war in 2022. Unfortunately, GERB was always corrupt, although it remained in the EPP on EU Parlament all- time. The PP was probably the best option, but unfortunately, they seem to have lost a lot of public support recently.

Yes, PP is the most pro-European party there currently is. Before Radev stepped down as President and joined the running, PP was leading the polls after the big protests last December, as they were seen as the only real alternative to the corrupt status quo. 

 

After Radev joined, PP lost around 10-15% of the votes, as those people were never true PP voters, but more anti GERB / DPS ones, so they gladly jumped ship to Radev. 

 

The thing which led to the downfall of PP was that they thought they could rule with a strong European policy on the budget and wanted to reform many sectors, which people of course were against, because they wouldn't be able to leech off the system anymore. Plus they started ruling in the worst possible time, as it coincided with 2 major crises, the second year of Covid and the start of the Ukraine war. 

 

There are many reasons why PP unfortunately lost support, but it is hard to explain it for non-Bulgarians. 

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39 minutes ago, Federer91 said:

Yes, PP is the most pro-European party there currently is. Before Radev stepped down as President and joined the running, PP was leading the polls after the big protests last December, as they were seen as the only real alternative to the corrupt status quo. 

 

After Radev joined, PP lost around 10-15% of the votes, as those people were never true PP voters, but more anti GERB / DPS ones, so they gladly jumped ship to Radev. 

 

The thing which led to the downfall of PP was that they thought they could rule with a strong European policy on the budget and wanted to reform many sectors, which people of course were against, because they wouldn't be able to leech off the system anymore. Plus they started ruling in the worst possible time, as it coincided with 2 major crises, the second year of Covid and the start of the Ukraine war. 

 

There are many reasons why PP unfortunately lost support, but it is hard to explain it for non-Bulgarians. 

It's hard for me to understand Russia's popularity in Bulgaria. I understand that there was propaganda during the Soviet era, but there was also propaganda in Poland, for example, and Russia isn't popular there. And in Bulgaria, immediately after World War II, the communists carried out terrible repression- a more worse than in Poland or Czechoslovakia. Considering the scale of these repressions, only Albania was worse in Europe under Hoxha. For example, Russia's popularity in Italy can be explained by the fact that these countries have never been neighbors and Russia has never done anything bad to Italy - in the sense of repression, murder, ethnic cleansing in history.

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[copravolley 653]

And now we have this

 

 

 

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16 hours ago, Orangehair43 said:

He is more anti immigration than Orban through so it might be bye bye to their athletes bought in to pad out their winter Olympic squad recently. 

There weren't too many of them, were there? For example, compared to the Italian women's hockey team :P

[Orangehair43 317]

3 hours ago, Federer91 said:

 

GERB actually aren't pro-Russian. They have always been pro-EU and Europe oriented and joining Shengen and the Eurozone happened in part because of them, though with a huge delay. They however have very well used the pro-EU stance to hide the rampant stealing of public funds and corruption surrounding their 10+ year ruling, which is the main reason people protested against them so many times. A bit Orban-esq they have also pretty much filled all institutions with their people, so it's hard to clean their mess.

 

Radev on the other hand has always been a pro-Russian proxy, though unlike Orban he is much more calculated with his words and actions. He is taking the "diplomatic" and "national" approach, though if you listen to his comments they are clearly favouring Russia. 

 

Even though this guy was President for many years, that position is without much power here, so he hasn't had the chance to do much trouble. But he did manage to plant his seeds in many people's heads, as he always blamed whichever party was ruling for all the troubles in the country and many believe he is our new "saviour". 

 

Compared to Hungary, the situation here is much more complex, as there isn't anyone as popular are Magyar and there are several strong parties, which always get practically the same number of votes.

 

Radev is surely winning, though the hopes are for the sane people to do damage control. But the truth is there aren't any many good choices, so it's going to be a lose-lose situation. 

 

I don't expect a coalition to be formed, but it will depend on the number of parties passing the 4% threshold. So yeah, we are once again hitting the never-ending elections cycle, which the country has spun into since 2021. 

 

 

Through so far hardly any of the EU watchers talking about how Orban being gone means Fico is isolated and the EU is now stronger on supporting Ukraine have realised Bulgaria will replace it as a pro Russia stooge.