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On 24/02/2020 at 23:26, heywoodu said:

The Jews must be kicked out of the country, only pure-blooded people can be citizens and members of the nation.

 

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Time for a little history lesson, today it's 100 years since one Adolf H. announced the DAP - from then on NSDAP - party program.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Socialist_Program

 

 and unfortunately nor Hitler's ideas and/or anti semitic behavior perished with him and it's still here and a lot of it...

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Just now, Dnl said:

 and unfortunately nor Hitler's ideas and/or anti semitic behavior perished with him and it's still here and a lot of it...

 

You can also easily replace the word 'Jews' with 'Muslims' or 'non-Muslims' and both will get you many millions of supporters  

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1 minute ago, heywoodu said:

 

You can also easily replace the word 'Jews' with 'Muslims' or 'non-Muslims' and both will get you many millions of supporters  

unfortunately it is the sad truth

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On 24/02/2020 at 18:18, Agger said:

 

Another good old discussion, and really one that's pretty stupid.

It's not like Sanders is planning to take money to give to the already rich (mainly himself) like in Robin Hood.

If Sanders was some kind of dictator who was only interested in his own, it would be fine.

Meanwhile it does to some point explain why he isn't Robin Hood either.

Well, from our point of view: in Robin Hood is the king (the state) taking money from his people........

and from this point of view, the state taking money from the people doesnt change......the state can be diferent for the form of goverment but still being state.

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Creepy https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/inside-bernie-sanderss-1988-10-day-honeymoon-in-the-soviet-union/2019/05/02/db543e18-6a9c-11e9-a66d-a82d3f3d96d5_story.html?outputType=amp&fbclid=IwAR1vQgWOmjROrXkxVo8Ddub3Y9KjQPsXurunUQlG2kX3SFmjwjwmavxKD0M

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11 minutes ago, konig said:

Creepy https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/inside-bernie-sanderss-1988-10-day-honeymoon-in-the-soviet-union/2019/05/02/db543e18-6a9c-11e9-a66d-a82d3f3d96d5_story.html?outputType=amp&fbclid=IwAR1vQgWOmjROrXkxVo8Ddub3Y9KjQPsXurunUQlG2kX3SFmjwjwmavxKD0M

I know, I hate when leaders go abroad and learn that are xenophobic attitudes towards other countries our unfounded. Their are pros to communism. I’m not advertising it, or glorifying it, but I am admitting that their are things communist nations do well. Neither Capitalism, nor Communism are perfect, and anyone who thinks as much is quite dumb.

Edited February 27, 2020 by Olympian1010

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Democratic Party 1980-2019: Bernie is not a communist

 

Bernie: wins three primaries

 

Democratic Party: why the fuck are you guys voting for a communist!?! Do you hate this country?

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2 hours ago, Olympian1010 said:

I know, I hate when leaders go abroad and learn that are xenophobic attitudes towards other countries our unfounded. Their are pros to communism. I’m not advertising it, or glorifying it, but I am admitting that their are things communist nations do well. Neither Capitalism, nor Communism are perfect, and anyone who thinks as much is quite dumb.

 

Holy shithole! This can only come from someone who lived in a country that was never ruled by communism.

 

Since you are a journalist, forget the freedom of speech. I thought the prime value for any journalist would mean something to you but guess not. Unless you'd be fine riding as the propaganda puppet Communism had a lot of propaganda involved until people just couldn't stand all the lies.

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6 minutes ago, Monzanator said:

 

Holy shithole! This can only come from someone who lived in a country that was never ruled by communism.

 

Since you are a journalist, forget the freedom of speech. I thought the prime value for any journalist would mean something to you but guess not. Unless you'd be fine riding as the propaganda puppet Communism had a lot of propaganda involved until people just couldn't stand all the lies.

Going with them Trump expletives I see 

 

I felt I was very clear that communism was bad, but what can a man do?

 

People in communist countries have healthcare, higher literacy races, and live more active lives. They also tend to have a better sense of collectivist (in the communication sense) thought (rather it’s bad or not is most certainly up for debate). They also don’t have to worry about random shooting attacks.

 

I do think communism is worse than capitalism, but for me, that’s like being asked to chose who’s better “Mussolini or Hitler” (Mussolini obviously, but’s still far from a great option)

 

I do value freedom of speech, and as a social-anarchist I believe it’s everyone’s right within fair limits (ie. no hate speech) (there’s difference between criticism and hate). I have many values as journalist, as an educated citizen, and as someone who truly cares about the wellbeing of others. I will attack places like China, North Korea, USSR, etc. all day. However, it would be unfair to not point out where political systems have been successful. 
 

I wrote under censorship for 14 years as a catholic school student. I learned from a very young age how to play the game. It’s one of the main reasons I’m so outspoken today. However, I’ll admit that any good writer can get a message across under any regime. You just have to learn to play the rules to your advantage. I saw through their lies, but I was smart enough to use them for my vision of how the world should be.

 

I really do appreciate your virtue signaling though. You complain of my personal attacks on you, but I see it’s a double standard so...

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9 minutes ago, Olympian1010 said:

Going with them Trump expletives I see 

 

I felt I was very clear that communism was bad, but what can a man do?

 

People in communist countries have healthcare, higher literacy races, and live more active lives. They also tend to have a better sense of collectivist (in the communication sense) thought (rather it’s bad or not is most certainly up for debate). They also don’t have to worry about random shooting attacks.

 

I do think communism is worse than capitalism, but for me, that’s like being asked to chose who’s better “Mussolini or Hitler” (Mussolini obviously, but’s still far from a great option)

 

I do value freedom of speech, and as a social-anarchist I believe it’s everyone’s right within fair limits (ie. no hate speech) (there’s difference between criticism and hate). I have many values as journalist, as an educated citizen, and as someone who truly cares about the wellbeing of others. I will attack places like China, North Korea, USSR, etc. all day. However, it would be unfair to not point out where political systems have been successful. 
 

I wrote under censorship for 14 years as a catholic school student. I learned from a very young age how to play the game. It’s one of the main reasons I’m so outspoken today. However, I’ll admit that any good writer can get a message across under any regime. You just have to learn to play the rules to your advantage. I saw through their lies, but I was smart enough to use them for my vision of how the world should be.

 

I really do appreciate your virtue signaling though. You complain of my personal attacks on you, but I see it’s a double standard so...

 

There are no double standards. Communism is downright evil. I don't know any of the Soviet satellites in Eastern Europe who want this system to make a grand return anytime soon. We might be negative towards EU sometimes but communism as the replacement? Never! You have no idea how bad this system is. You might cherish it on paper but in reality it's just horrible. Sadly, you have no idea what are you talking about. I suppose you're not gonna live in North Korea for an extended period of time anytime soon to see what the pros of communism really are? Whatever they are, the negatives outweight them by a ton and then some. It's not even the freedom of speech but food rationing or stores where you can only buy vinegar & mustard because there is nothing else there?

 

If you like vinegar you'd love the choice here: