[OFF TOPIC] Politics Thread

[Olympian1010 7,976]

1 minute ago, Monzanator said:

 

You keep making all the wrong assumptions time & time again. I never said homosexuality should be illegal. You're spreading lies here and that's exactly why I will never support "your generation" and all the socialism bullshit. I'd rather be a conservative telling the hard truth rather than a progressive liberal telling politically correct lies

And I’d rather be person who cares for people rather than someone incapable of giving a shit about the bigger picture. I’d rather aim for a more “perfect” society than settle for what we have.

[heywoodu 15,141]

2 minutes ago, Monzanator said:

 

You keep making all the wrong assumptions time & time again. I never said homosexuality should be illegal. You're spreading lies here and that's exactly why I will never support "your generation" and all the socialism bullshit. I'd rather be a conservative telling the hard truth rather than a progressive liberal telling politically correct lies

But conservatives aren't exactly known for telling truths. Not hard truths, not soft truths. The Republicans in the US are at this very moment working hard to prove that over and over again, as we've seen in the past few weeks.

[Monzanator 4,502]

4 minutes ago, Olympian1010 said:

And I’d rather be person who cares for people rather than someone incapable of giving a shit about the bigger picture. I’d rather aim for a more “perfect” society than settle for what we have.

 

Perfect society is a myth. But you're not even contesting that you're telling lies about my opinion on LGBT. So you know you are a liar and just got exposed.

 

 

3 minutes ago, heywoodu said:

But conservatives aren't exactly known for telling truths. Not hard truths, not soft truths. The Republicans in the US are at this very moment working hard to prove that over and over again, as we've seen in the past few weeks.

 

Politics serves one chief purpose only - control humanity. Both liberals & conservatives do that. The US two-party system helps this very much as these people have no viable option to choose from. And guess what, Democrats are very happy about that system too.

[LDOG 2,418]

This guy wants us to believe he's some apolitical nihilist but he's so obviously a closet conservative  

 

 

 

 

[heywoodu 15,141]

3 minutes ago, LDOG said:

This guy wants us to believe he's some apolitical nihilist but he's so obviously a closet conservative  

 

That closet door isn't closed...it's not even there  

[Monzanator 4,502]

11 minutes ago, LDOG said:

This guy wants us to believe he's some apolitical nihilist but he's so obviously a closet conservative  

 

 

 

 

 

4 minutes ago, heywoodu said:

 

That closet door isn't closed...it's not even there  

 

What's so funny about that?   I've said numerous times socialism & the progressive bubble is not my thing

[LDOG 2,418]

hace 13 horas, Monzanator dijo:

 

Pope Francis represents the Catholic minority since South America was dominated by the right-wing military juntas which opressed the Church so most Catholics from South America are actually leaning towards the left. Most Catholics elsewhere is obviously right-wing.

 

 

This is not correct. Military governments had largely the support of the church. The military didn't exactly opress the church, quite the contrary, the military were very catholic and had deep conections with church's top hierarchy. In fact, being an atheist back those days inmediately made you a suspect to them.

 

There was, however, a minority branch inside the church of priests that were left leaning/dedicated to social justice and were arrested/kidnapped/executed during that rule. The pope during those times was kind of in the middle, he wasn't part of the top hierarchy that supported the military and was clearly right-leaning, but wasn't either part of the leftist branch.

 

The catholic church in south america is heavily right-wing still to this day. The pope is kinda an exception to be honest, and even then, he became more leftist after being elected (to the surprise of many catholics here).

 

[Monzanator 4,502]

13 minutes ago, LDOG said:

 

This is not correct. Military governments had largely the support of the church. The military didn't exactly opress the church, quite the contrary, the military were very catholic and had deep conections with church's top hierarchy. In fact, being an atheist back those days inmediately made you a suspect to them.

 

There was, however, a minority branch inside the church of priests that were left leaning/dedicated to social justice and were arrested/kidnapped/executed during that rule. The pope during those times was kind of in the middle, he wasn't part of the top hierarchy that supported the military and was clearly right-leaning, but wasn't either part of the leftist branch.

 

The catholic church in south america is heavily right-wing still to this day. The pope is kinda an exception to be honest, and even then, he became more leftist after being elected (to the surprise of many catholics here).

 

 

It's obvious the current Pope will not sustain his vision of the Church. Majority of the Catholics around the world are not left-wing and his actions have more fans among atheists & those progressive minds who are glued to the Church's actions like they have nothing better to do in first place

 

I might as well ask if South America has banished the ghosts of the military juntas or keeps cycling through them like Poland does with former communists still being present in the public life & political offices?

[Olympian1010 7,976]

2 hours ago, Monzanator said:

 

Perfect society is a myth. But you're not even contesting that you're telling lies about my opinion on LGBT. So you know you are a liar and just got exposed.

I’m not contesting it because I’m lazy, but you’ve definitely said something along those lines before. It takes a liar to know a liar...

[Olympian1010 7,976]

29 minutes ago, Monzanator said:

 

It's obvious the current Pope will not sustain his vision of the Church. Majority of the Catholics around the world are not left-wing and his actions have more fans among atheists & those progressive minds who are glued to the Church's actions like they have nothing better to do in first place

Which is odd quite frankly because catholic (and Christian) principles are almost identical. In Catholic education we glorified the idea of socialist, and taught about the dangers of becoming a socialist state (hence why I’m democratic socialist). Having fans amongst people of no faith is good for the church. Religion around the world is shrinking (and those religious institutions know it)