Cinnamon Bun 471 Posted June 15 #41 Share Posted June 15 Is there still a possibility some Russian and Belarusian athletes get pushed back, even in events where those athletes have been invited? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
copravolley 133 Posted June 15 #42 Share Posted June 15 6 minutes ago, avlar said: Right now Chamizo goes to the Games Zaurbek Sidakov was disallowed and UWW must reallocate this quota to another NOC. It must be reallocated to Chamizo. I do not see any other correct way (it cannot go to another russian anymore). I was on his Instagram and I don't see his training. The IOC should clarify the relocation issue as soon as possible. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dragon 1,778 Posted June 15 #43 Share Posted June 15 3 minutes ago, Cinnamon Bun said: Is there still a possibility some Russian and Belarusian athletes get pushed back, even in events where those athletes have been invited? Press release notes that "This list will be updated in line with the decisions of the Individual Neutral Athlete Eligibility Review Panel" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
avlar 295 Posted June 15 Author #44 Share Posted June 15 6 minutes ago, Cinnamon Bun said: Is there still a possibility some Russian and Belarusian athletes get pushed back, even in events where those athletes have been invited? Invitations can be cancelled at any moment. They just have to post some Zs on their social networks ) Cinnamon Bun and hckošice 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
avlar 295 Posted June 15 Author #45 Share Posted June 15 2 minutes ago, Dragon said: Press release notes that "This list will be updated in line with the decisions of the Individual Neutral Athlete Eligibility Review Panel" Yes, IOC is still to make decisions on: - Canoe sprint - Judo - Rowing - Tennis - Modern Pentathlon - Shooting But for the sports in the latetst statement lists are expected to be final. Russian Taekwondo federation confirmed that they will have 0 athletes in Paris and they cannot appeal, because IOC uses invitations to confirm quotas. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cinnamon Bun 471 Posted June 15 #46 Share Posted June 15 6 minutes ago, avlar said: Yes, IOC is still to make decisions on: - Canoe sprint - Judo - Rowing - Tennis - Modern Pentathlon - Shooting But for the sports in the latetst statement lists are expected to be final. Russian Taekwondo federation confirmed that they will have 0 athletes in Paris and they cannot appeal, because IOC uses invitations to confirm quotas. So can athletes in wrestling for example still get invites rejected despite checks seemingly already taken place? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
avlar 295 Posted June 15 Author #47 Share Posted June 15 4 minutes ago, Cinnamon Bun said: So can athletes in wrestling for example still get invites rejected despite checks seemingly already taken place? Yes. According to the IOC they can be sent home even during the Olympics Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
avlar 295 Posted June 15 Author #48 Share Posted June 15 (edited) Now the first official update according to the IOC statement on the 15th of June https://olympics.com/ioc/paris-2024-individual-neutral-athletes Short notes from the IOC statement: 1. Decisions to reject quotas are final. 2. Decisions to approve quotas are not final - new facts may lead to the rejection of invitation. 3. Decisions cannot be appealed - NOCs were not invited to the Games, so it is a good will to invite individual athletes... or not 4. Unused quotas will be reallocated to another NOCs (not to be sunstituted by another AINs). Empty lines in the IOC Decision column means no decision yet. Reallocation to another NOC means that IF has to reallocate this quota to another NOC (not AIN) according to the IOC decision. The most probable reallocation is mentioned in the table. Here we have russians - belorussians to follow Sports Athlete(s) Discipline Possible Reallocation NOC IOC Decision Wrestling Zaur Uguev Men's freestyle 57 kg Meirambek Kartbay AIN - Nachin MONGUSH Wrestling Shamil Mamedov Men's freestyle 65 kg Maxim Saculţan AIN - Shamil MAMEDOV Wrestling Zaurbek Sidakov Men's freestyle 74 kg a) Lu Feng ** or b) Frank Chamizo Reallocation to another NOC Wrestling Artur Naifonov Men's freestyle 86 kg Vasyl Mykhailov AIN - Arslan BAGAEV Wrestling Alikhan Zhabrailov Men's freestyle 97 kg a) Illia ARCHAIA** or b) Magomed Ibragimov Reallocation to another NOC Wrestling Abdulla Kurbanov Men's freestyle 125 kg José Daniel Díaz AIN - Abdulla KURBANOV Wrestling Nadezhda Sokolova Women's freestyle 50 kg a) Gabija DILYTE** or b) Emanuela LIUZZI Reallocation to another NOC Wrestling Natalia Malysheva Women's freestyle 53 kg Annika WENDLE AIN - Natalya MALYSHEVA Wrestling Olga Khoroshavtseva Women's freestyle 57 kg Khongorzul BOLDSAIKHAN AIN - Veronika CHUMIKOVA Wrestling Alina Kasabieva Women's freestyle 62 kg Ameline DOUARRE AIN - Alina KASABIEVA Wrestling Khanum Velieva Women's freestyle 68 kg Manola Skobelska AIN - Elizaveta PETLIAKOVA Wrestling Sadyk Lalaev Men's Greco-Roman 60 kg Razvan ARNAUT Reallocation to another NOC Wrestling Sergey Kutuzov Men's Greco-Roman 77 kg Kamal Ameer BEY Reallocation to another NOC Wrestling Milad Alirzaev Men's Greco-Roman 87 kg Exauce Mukubu AIN - Alan OSTAEV Wrestling Artur Sargsian Men's Greco-Roman 97 kg Lucas Lazogianis AIN - Magomed MURTAZALIEV Wrestling Sergey Semenov Men's Greco-Roman 130 kg a) Georgi IVANOV** or b) Heiki Nabi Reallocation to another NOC Taekwondo Maksim Khramtsov Men's –80 kg Stefan Takov Reallocation to another NOC Taekwondo Vladislav Larin Men's +80 kg Nikita Rafalovich Reallocation to another NOC Taekwondo Tatiana Minina Women's –57 kg Dominika Hronová Reallocation to another NOC Taekwondo Polina Khan Women's +67 kg Marlene Jahl Reallocation to another NOC Trampoline Iana Lebedeva Women's Sofia Correia AIN - Anzhela BLADTCEVA Canoe Sprint Alexey KOROVASHKOV Ivan SHTYL C2 Men 500m Aleksander KITEWSKI Arsen SLIWINSKI Cycling Tamara DRONOVA Road - AIN - Tamara DRONOVA Cycling Alena IVANCHENKO Road - AIN - Alena IVANCHENKO Cycling Alexandr VLASOV Road - AIN - Alexandr VLASOV ** - important precedent was found by @Faramir to show alternative way of reallocation supported by @Art Art: a) at a single tournament - quota goes to the first eligible athlete at the tournament where it was won by AIN, not taking into account those who won quotas later b) chronologocally - tournament by tournament - with cascading redistribution of quotas, taking into account those who won quotas later and redistributing their quotas from later tournaments. These alternative ways are show in the table only for the quotas determined to the reallocation by the IOC. These alternative ways are show in the table only for the quotas determined to the reallocation by the IOC. *** - thanks for @mard0n and @MantaRaymarc. It looks to be the fiest reallocation confirmed by the IF Edited June 18 by avlar Checked Topicmaster1010, mard0n and Gianlu33 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Illya 459 Posted June 15 #49 Share Posted June 15 8 minutes ago, avlar said: Now the first official update according to the IOC statement on the 15th of June https://olympics.com/ioc/paris-2024-individual-neutral-athletes Short notes from the IOC statement: 1. Decisions to reject quotas are final. 2. Decisions to approve quotas are not final - new facts may lead to the rejection of invitation. 3. Decisions cannot be appealed - NOCs were not invited to the Games, so it is a good will to invite individual athletes... or not 4. Unused quotas will be reallocated to another NOCs (not to be sunstituted by another AINs). Empty lines in the IOC Decision column means no decision yet. Reallocation to another NOC means that IF has to reallocate this quota to another NOC according to the IOC decision. Here we have russians - belorussians to follow (and it may add some reallocation correction) Sports Athlete(s) Discipline Possible Reallocation NOC IOC Decision Wrestling Zaur Uguev Men's freestyle 57 kg Meirambek Kartbay AIN - Nachin MONGUSH Wrestling Shamil Mamedov Men's freestyle 65 kg Maxim Saculţan AIN - Shamil MAMEDOV Wrestling Zaurbek Sidakov Men's freestyle 74 kg Frank Chamizo Reallocation to another NOC Wrestling Artur Naifonov Men's freestyle 86 kg Vasyl Mykhailov AIN - Arslan BAGAEV Wrestling Alikhan Zhabrailov Men's freestyle 97 kg Illia Archaia Reallocation to another NOC Wrestling Abdulla Kurbanov Men's freestyle 125 kg José Daniel Díaz AIN - Abdulla KURBANOV Wrestling Nadezhda Sokolova Women's freestyle 50 kg Mercy Genesis Reallocation to another NOC Wrestling Natalia Malysheva Women's freestyle 53 kg Maria Prevolaraki AIN - Natalya MALYSHEVA Wrestling Olga Khoroshavtseva Women's freestyle 57 kg Alina Hrushyna AIN - Veronika CHUMIKOVA Wrestling Alina Kasabieva Women's freestyle 62 kg Mariana Cherdivara AIN - Alina KASABIEVA Wrestling Khanum Velieva Women's freestyle 68 kg Manola Skobelska AIN - Elizaveta PETLIAKOVA Wrestling Sadyk Lalaev Men's Greco-Roman 60 kg Kim Da-hyun Reallocation to another NOC Wrestling Sergey Kutuzov Men's Greco-Roman 77 kg Iuri Lomadze Reallocation to another NOC Wrestling Milad Alirzaev Men's Greco-Roman 87 kg Exauce Mukubu AIN - Alan OSTAEV Wrestling Artur Sargsian Men's Greco-Roman 97 kg Lucas Lazogianis AIN - Magomed MURTAZALIEV Wrestling Sergey Semenov Men's Greco-Roman 130 kg Heiki Nabi Reallocation to another NOC Taekwondo Maksim Khramtsov Men's –80 kg Stefan Takov Reallocation to another NOC Taekwondo Vladislav Larin Men's +80 kg Ray Rahi (?) Reallocation to another NOC Taekwondo Tatiana Minina Women's –57 kg Dominika Hronová Reallocation to another NOC Taekwondo Polina Khan Women's +67 kg Marlene Jahl Reallocation to another NOC Trampoline Iana Lebedeva Women's Sofia Correia AIN - Anzhela BLADTCEVA Canoe Sprint Alexey KOROVASHKOV Ivan SHTYL C2 Men 500m Aleksander KITEWSKI Arsen SLIWINSKI Cycling Tamara DRONOVA Road - AIN - Tamara DRONOVA Cycling Alena IVANCHENKO Road - AIN - Alena IVANCHENKO Cycling Alexandr VLASOV Road - AIN - Alexandr VLASOV I don't think that Archaia received this place, because Baran from Poland had better total pts avlar 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Art Art 46 Posted June 15 #50 Share Posted June 15 11 minutes ago, avlar said: Now the first official update according to the IOC statement on the 15th of June https://olympics.com/ioc/paris-2024-individual-neutral-athletes Short notes from the IOC statement: 1. Decisions to reject quotas are final. 2. Decisions to approve quotas are not final - new facts may lead to the rejection of invitation. 3. Decisions cannot be appealed - NOCs were not invited to the Games, so it is a good will to invite individual athletes... or not 4. Unused quotas will be reallocated to another NOCs (not to be sunstituted by another AINs). Empty lines in the IOC Decision column means no decision yet. Reallocation to another NOC means that IF has to reallocate this quota to another NOC according to the IOC decision. Here we have russians - belorussians to follow (and it may add some reallocation correction) Sports Athlete(s) Discipline Possible Reallocation NOC IOC Decision Wrestling Zaur Uguev Men's freestyle 57 kg Meirambek Kartbay AIN - Nachin MONGUSH Wrestling Shamil Mamedov Men's freestyle 65 kg Maxim Saculţan AIN - Shamil MAMEDOV Wrestling Zaurbek Sidakov Men's freestyle 74 kg Frank Chamizo Reallocation to another NOC Wrestling Artur Naifonov Men's freestyle 86 kg Vasyl Mykhailov AIN - Arslan BAGAEV Wrestling Alikhan Zhabrailov Men's freestyle 97 kg Illia Archaia Reallocation to another NOC Wrestling Abdulla Kurbanov Men's freestyle 125 kg José Daniel Díaz AIN - Abdulla KURBANOV Wrestling Nadezhda Sokolova Women's freestyle 50 kg Mercy Genesis Reallocation to another NOC Wrestling Natalia Malysheva Women's freestyle 53 kg Maria Prevolaraki AIN - Natalya MALYSHEVA Wrestling Olga Khoroshavtseva Women's freestyle 57 kg Alina Hrushyna AIN - Veronika CHUMIKOVA Wrestling Alina Kasabieva Women's freestyle 62 kg Mariana Cherdivara AIN - Alina KASABIEVA Wrestling Khanum Velieva Women's freestyle 68 kg Manola Skobelska AIN - Elizaveta PETLIAKOVA Wrestling Sadyk Lalaev Men's Greco-Roman 60 kg Kim Da-hyun Reallocation to another NOC Wrestling Sergey Kutuzov Men's Greco-Roman 77 kg Iuri Lomadze Reallocation to another NOC Wrestling Milad Alirzaev Men's Greco-Roman 87 kg Exauce Mukubu AIN - Alan OSTAEV Wrestling Artur Sargsian Men's Greco-Roman 97 kg Lucas Lazogianis AIN - Magomed MURTAZALIEV Wrestling Sergey Semenov Men's Greco-Roman 130 kg Heiki Nabi Reallocation to another NOC Taekwondo Maksim Khramtsov Men's –80 kg Stefan Takov Reallocation to another NOC Taekwondo Vladislav Larin Men's +80 kg Ray Rahi (?) Reallocation to another NOC Taekwondo Tatiana Minina Women's –57 kg Dominika Hronová Reallocation to another NOC Taekwondo Polina Khan Women's +67 kg Marlene Jahl Reallocation to another NOC Trampoline Iana Lebedeva Women's Sofia Correia AIN - Anzhela BLADTCEVA Canoe Sprint Alexey KOROVASHKOV Ivan SHTYL C2 Men 500m Aleksander KITEWSKI Arsen SLIWINSKI Cycling Tamara DRONOVA Road - AIN - Tamara DRONOVA Cycling Alena IVANCHENKO Road - AIN - Alena IVANCHENKO Cycling Alexandr VLASOV Road - AIN - Alexandr VLASOV Ivanova (62 kg) also banned Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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