Athletics at the Summer Olympic Games Paris 2024

[hckošice 15,055]

  On 8/7/2024 at 7:59 PM, Monzanator said:

That's how they do it. I believe Czech Republic also inherited all Czechoslovakia medals and Slovakia started from zero? @hckošice

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yep.

[Federer91 2,870]

  On 8/7/2024 at 7:57 PM, Nickyc707 said:

The Soviet Union was not Russia but a union of numerous countries. They were completely different entities. How can you simply add their numbers together when many of the USSR's medals were won by non-Russians.

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OMG, people really need a history lesson, even though i have explained this a thousand times...

 

There were no other entities, there were no legal countries until the Independences in the 90s. Doesn't matter what your ethnicity was, you were under the rule of Russia, doesn't matter if the hat was "Soviet Union". It's not the same as the European Union. They weren't Independent countries.

 

If that isn't enough,  on 31 January 1992, the United Nations recognized, without objection, Russia as legal successor of the rights and obligations of the former Soviet Union. 

 

https://web.archive.org/web/20031123143520/http://www.iaea.org/Publications/Documents/Infcircs/Others/inf397.shtml

 

If Catalonia succeds in the future from Spain, would you say any medals from Catalonian athletes in the past shouldn't be counted for Spain? No, because at the time when they were won, they were part of Spain.

 

That's why in the history books Ukraine, Belarus, Armenia etc. and their results are counted after they gained Independence.

Edited August 7, 2024 by Federer91

[Grassmarket 3,556]

  On 8/7/2024 at 7:51 PM, Federer91 said:

 

Germany doesn't include GDR, because the twice the athletes rule, but it has West Germany and Unified team included.

 

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Ah, OK fair enough, thought it would be absurd if they were counting results that were    as three German medals. 

[Federer91 2,870]

  On 8/7/2024 at 8:22 PM, Grassmarket said:

Ah, OK fair enough, thought it would be absurd if they were counting results that were    as three German medals. 

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Yes, East Germany isn't included in the historically accurate all time table, not only because of the double the athletes precedent, but because they were a runaway state. They formed their own Olympic Committee and were recognized as a separate country, while West Germany remained the legal successor of the previous unified Germany. 

[hckošice 15,055]

Men's 3000m Steeplechase
Final Results

 

Soufiane EL BAKKALI
8:06.05

 

Kenneth ROOKS
8:06.41

 

Abraham KIBIWOT
8:06.47

 

Full Final Results HERE

Full Heats Results HERE

[Grassmarket 3,556]

  On 8/7/2024 at 8:11 PM, Federer91 said:

OMG, people really need a history lesson, even though i have explained this a thousand times...

 

There were no other entities, there were no legal countries until the Independences in the 90s. Doesn't matter what your ethnicity was, you were under the rule of Russia, doesn't matter if the hat was "Soviet Union". It's not the same as the European Union. They weren't Independent countries.

 

If that isn't enough,  on 31 January 1992, the United Nations recognized, without objection, Russia as legal successor of the rights and obligations of the former Soviet Union. 

 

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Oh, sure in terms of international law but in sporting terms it just can't work like that.  In the early Olympics you had the Russian Empire [Three medals total].  In the 20s & 30s there were three Baltic Republics.  From 1952-1992 there was the USSR / Commonwealth of Independent States.  After 1992 Russia inherited the Tsar's medals, but otherwise started anew, along with the other 11 SSRs except the three Baltic Republics who already had Olympic records. 

[Grassmarket 3,556]

  On 8/7/2024 at 8:30 PM, Federer91 said:

 

Yes, East Germany isn't included in the historically accurate all time table, not only because of the double the athletes precedent, but because they were a runaway state. They formed their own Olympic Committee and were recognized as a separate country, while West Germany remained the legal successor of the previous unified Germany. 

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Actually, I forgot that both  &  appeared as a Unified German Team 1956-1964 , so these medals must count. It was only in Grenoble 1968 that   appeared in its own name. 

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[Federer91 2,870]

  On 8/7/2024 at 8:31 PM, Grassmarket said:

Oh, sure in terms of international law but in sporting terms it just can't work like that.  In the early Olympics you had the Russian Empire [Three medals total].  In the 20s & 30s there were three Baltic Republics.  From 1952-1992 there was the USSR / Commonwealth of Independent States.  After 1992 Russia inherited the Tsar's medals, but otherwise started anew, along with the other 11 SSRs except the three Baltic Republics who already had Olympic records. 

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If the IOC wants to take the cowardly approach and not historically distribute medals, because of their agendas, it's their problem.

 

History can't be changed. There are enough historical documents, that show the legal successors of defunct states. 

 

The Baltic Republics keep their medals from the 20s and 30s, because they were independent countries back then. 

 

Afterwards they are occupied by Russia. They are no longer legal countries. Their athletes are willingly (or forcedly) competing for Russia, thus everything won is considered a Russian medal, until they again gain Independence as a separate country.

 

It's funny how people still pretend, that the names "Soviet Union" and "Russia" are completely unconnected and one country didn't exist for 40 years and magically appeared from the 90s..

[Grassmarket 3,556]

Not much news about Girma after his fall in the Steeple.

 

Medics rush to help Olympic athlete Lamecha Girma after terrifying fall in the men's steeplechase in Paris | Daily Mail Online

[heywoodu 15,295]

  On 8/7/2024 at 9:20 PM, Grassmarket said:

Not much news about Girma after his fall in the Steeple.

 

Medics rush to help Olympic athlete Lamecha Girma after terrifying fall in the men's steeplechase in Paris | Daily Mail Online

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