Swimming LEN Short Course European Championships 2023

[phelps 6,979]

really depressing environment, almost no spectators at the venue 

 

and not so exciting results by our swimmers 

[dodge 744]

Yesterday was the first time  had ever won gold at this event.

 

2 silver and 7 bronze before this year. 2019 was the only other year where 2 different Irish swimmers won medals (2 bronze). Matched that on day one.

 

We'll add more medals too (if not more medalists)

[Jinzha 538]

I'm super impressed by  Caspar Corbeau this tournament, with a 100m breaststroke bronze and now 200m breaststroke gold he has really stepped up to the elite level. I'm excited to see how Kamminga Corbeau and Tes Schouten keep developing as a training group to compete for the medals in Paris!

 

Meanwhile Toussaint is still a force to be reckoned with in the specific context of backstroke in a European short course tournament.

[Federer91 2,192]

We are doing many 1/2 and finals, which is unusual for our swimming history. Granted many big names are not here, but it's still a sign of the positive development of the sport. 

[phelps 6,979]

VAR is definitely killing this sport 

 

it was supposed to be used just to catch some blatant cheaters using the fly kick more than once in the breaststroke races, but it's become a farce...

 

according to this tournament's judges, there are a lot of swimmers that can't swim and make turns (including multiple world champions like Thomas Ceccon) as if it was a 7-year young kids' competition 

[Nickyc707 312]

1 hour ago, phelps said:

VAR is definitely killing this sport 

 

it was supposed to be used just to catch some blatant cheaters using the fly kick more than once in the breaststroke races, but it's become a farce...

 

according to this tournament's judges, there are a lot of swimmers that can't swim and make turns (including multiple world champions like Thomas Ceccon) as if it was a 7-year young kids' competition 

Reading the threads on Swimswam the concensus seems to be that Ceccon has broken the breaststroke rules repeatedly at this meet. Have no idea if this has been the case in previous events and don't pretend to know whether they are correct  or not although I would say that they are mostly longstanding contributors to the publication and do seem to know their swimming. 

[hckošice 13,299]

Our mini-mini-team succeeded to achieve 4 finals here, And in all 4 was involved Andrea Podmaníková (the blonde in the middle), finishing 5th in both 100 & 200 Breatstroke, waa finalist also in the 50 Breaststroke and main part of our 7th female 4x50 medley relay.

 

I do believe this was the maximum we could even imagine and hope.

 

Yeah, we can fairly guess that Podmaníková will be very likely the one who will receive our Universality quota at the Olympics, no idea who will have the male quota though

 

 

Edited December 10, 2023 by hckošice

[phelps 6,979]

21 hours ago, Nickyc707 said:

Reading the threads on Swimswam the concensus seems to be that Ceccon has broken the breaststroke rules repeatedly at this meet. Have no idea if this has been the case in previous events and don't pretend to know whether they are correct  or not although I would say that they are mostly longstanding contributors to the publication and do seem to know their swimming. 

He admitted his error in the 200m IM (not touching with both hands in a turn), but he definitely denied the second fly kick after a turn in the 100m IM yesterday

 

and more in general, there are too many DQs...it looks that all swimmers can't swim anymore (those of swimswam know swimming very well, but they are also really biased towards Ceccon...it's not the first time they write bad comments about him )

Edited December 10, 2023 by phelps

[OlympicsFan 783]

19 hours ago, phelps said:

VAR is definitely killing this sport 

 

it was supposed to be used just to catch some blatant cheaters using the fly kick more than once in the breaststroke races, but it's become a farce...

 

according to this tournament's judges, there are a lot of swimmers that can't swim and make turns (including multiple world champions like Thomas Ceccon) as if it was a 7-year young kids' competition 

I absolutely disagree. Nice to see all those cheaters finally getting caught. Of course it will take time for them to adapt after using an illegal technique for so long.

[OlympicsFan 783]

6 hours ago, phelps said:

He admitted his error in the 200m IM (not touching with both handes in a turn), but he definitely denied the second fly kick after a turn in the 100m IM yesterday

 

and more in general, there are too many DQs...it looks that all swimmers can't swim anymore (those of swimswam know swimming very well, but they are also really biased towards Ceccon...it's not the first time they write bad comments about him )

That is just an absurd take. They usually celebrate him. On SwimSwam there is some bias against swimmers from Australia/Russia/China, but not against Ceccon or italian swimmers in general. At the end of 2022 Ceccon was ranked 4th in their top 100 for 2023 (behind Milak, Marchand and Popovici) and some were arguing that he should have placed even higher.

https://swimswam.com/swimswams-top-100-for-2023-mens-10-1/

Edited December 10, 2023 by OlympicsFan