[OFF TOPIC] Eurovision Song Contest 2023

[Vektor 3,326]

1 hour ago, heywoodu said:

That seems unfair...why not do the same with the televotes to make it fair with both set of votes being treated the same way?

Because that's precisely the point. Televote should have a bigger impact on who wins than the jury. Eurovision should always make the will of the people a priority over a selected jury. We see how much big TV events are losing viewers like the Grammys and the Oscars because people aren't interested in watching shows where a selected few decide who wins the top prize. It is very important for EBU to make sure that the public feels like they are in control. Because if they feel like the contest is rigged in favor of certain countries and certain type of songs, they will soon lose their audience. 

[heywoodu 15,135]

8 minutes ago, Belle said:

Of all countries they were the only country to not give Sweden any televoting points. Coincidence? I really don’t think so. 

Well if you see Eurovision as one big cheating show, then yeah, cheating Finland  (you know, with all the diaspora voting, X voting for Y every year, etc)

[Belle 975]

5 minutes ago, heywoodu said:

Well if you see Eurovision as one big cheating show, then yeah, cheating Finland  (you know, with all the diaspora voting, X voting for Y every year, etc)

Actually that’s why I want the voting as it is now. 50% jury and 50% televoting.  

Edited May 14, 2023 by Belle

[Vektor 3,326]

1 hour ago, Belle said:

She was second in the televoting without even a single televoting point from cheating Finland 

 

you know the televoting can be tactical and unfair too?

 

last year everyone complained about Ukraine winning the televoting. The point is there are complaining about the winner almost ever year. Grow up 

Every voting is unfair in some way, but Eurovision is a popularity contest. It was never about finding the best, most polished song or the best singer. Ukraine won fairly because the European public wanted to give it to Ukraine, regardless of why people voted. I mean, it sucks if they vote for political reasons, but it is what it is. And now they very clearly wanted to give it Finland, based on the average points per country Cha Cha Cha is the second most successful song ever in the history of the Eurovision televote, this was a landslide. Regardless of how we arrived to this result, it's the will of the people in a TV show that's kept around because of its viewership numbers. Eurovision's target audience are the people watching at home, not the European music industry. If they lose the trust of that audience by giving the win to a song that the public clearly liked less by a wide margin, they are risking the entire future of the contest. 

[Vektor 3,326]

The new all time Top5 in the televote in the current 50-50 voting system. Cha Cha Cha and Grande Amore lost because the juries gave those wins to Sweden. 

 

 

Edited May 14, 2023 by Vektor

[Belle 975]

6 minutes ago, Vektor said:

The new all time Top5 in the televote in the current 50-50 voting system. Cha Cha Cha and Grande Amore lost because the juries gave those wins to Sweden. 

 

 

Or the juries actually know quality? 

 

So according you Stefania is the best song ever? Better than Euphoria? 

 

Still Finland is the only country to not give any televoting points to Sweden? But televoting is flawless? 

Edited May 14, 2023 by Belle

[Federer91 2,793]

Peaking to see the big activity here and what a surprise, that we have yet again a "scandalous outcome" by the looks of it.  Best thing i did was to stop acknowledging Eurovision's existence last year, just too much unnecessary anger. Also, Rest of the World votes, hahaha  

[heywoodu 15,135]

8 minutes ago, Federer91 said:

Peaking to see the big activity here and what a surprise, that we have yet again a "scandalous outcome" by the looks of it.  

Funny thing is there is really no reason for any serious outcry at all, it's really mostly just creating a problem out of thin air  

 

At least last year it was understandable that there were doubts about the whole thing, since Ukraine obviously won 100% because of the war.

[Vektor 3,326]

25 minutes ago, Belle said:

Or the juries actually know quality? 

 

So according you Stefania is the best song ever? Better than Euphoria? 

 

Still Finland is the only country to not give any televoting points to Sweden? But televoting is flawless? 

This isn't the Grammy Awards, it's not about quality. It's about entertainment. But people do vote for quality songs and performances when someone truly breaks through. That's how Portugal got that huge win in 2017. That's how Italy won in 2021 despite representing a genre that rarely wins the televote. 

 

Televoting isn't flawless but it's what ensures the popularity of the contest. If they didn't switch to televote at the start of the modern era, Eurovision would be dead by now. People tune in to be entertained and see how the continent votes. Not a selected jury, but the people of Europe. 

Edited May 14, 2023 by Vektor

[Belle 975]

11 minutes ago, Vektor said:

This isn't the Grammy Awards, it's not about quality. It's about entertainment. But people do vote for quality songs and performances when someone truly breaks through. That's how Portugal got that huge win in 2017. That's how Italy won in 2021 despite representing a genre that rarely wins the televote. 

 

Televoting isn't flawless but it's what ensures the popularity of the contest. If they didn't switch to televote at the start of the modern era, Eurovision would be dead by now. People tune in to be entertained and see how the continent votes. Not a selected jury, but the people of Europe. 

If you think Stefania won the televoting because it’s popular then you are very naive. 

 

The point is that people complained last year too even if the the winner of televoting won the contest 

Edited May 14, 2023 by Belle