Wrestling Qualification to Summer Olympic Games Paris 2024

[Laraja 1,496]

  On 10/26/2023 at 5:05 AM, rafalgorka said:

Why are the weight categories different in M freestyle and greco? I don’t get it.

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They are just different disciplines, like the competitions in Kayak and Canoe boats in Canoeing Sprint/Slalom.

 

I am not an expert on it, but in Greco you can't attack the legs of your opponent, and in freestyle it's allowed. They may have other differences, but @MHSNcan give you a better answer.

[phelps 7,867]

  On 10/26/2023 at 7:31 PM, Laraja said:

They are just different disciplines, like the competitions in Kayak and Canoe boats in Canoeing Sprint/Slalom.

 

I am not an expert on it, but in Greco you can't attack the legs of your opponent, and in freestyle it's allowed. They may have other differences, but @MHSNcan give you a better answer.

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yeah, but this isn't the question

 

they used to have the same weight classes for Freestyle and Greco-Roman Wrestling until a few years ago (2012, if I remember correctly), but then a brilliant mind came up with the decision to have different weight in the 2 disciplines, as if it would make any difference 

 

basically, they used the excusation that GR is more a European affair and the average weight of European people is heavier than for instance the average Asians, where most Freestyle Nations come from

 

even if it's true that FR is more widely spread outside Europe than GR, I still think it's just cosmetics and also a mess that might cause problems to the occasional fans to identify the categories of this sport

 

however, now it's quite some time (since Rio 2016 at the Olympic Games) that we have this difference and I don't think we'll get back to the old situation

[MHSN 3,661]

  On 10/26/2023 at 7:31 PM, Laraja said:

They are just different disciplines, like the competitions in Kayak and Canoe boats in Canoeing Sprint/Slalom.

 

I am not an expert on it, but in Greco you can't attack the legs of your opponent, and in freestyle it's allowed. They may have other differences, but @MHSNcan give you a better answer.

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let me give you a detailed answer 

 

people who know nothing about this sport usually can't understand the difference between GR and FS. I even remember some "wise" people even in totallympics suggested having 3 GR weights and 3 FS weights, like a wrestler can easily switch between styles. 50 years ago? maybe but nowadays you can't find a single wrestler in high level who tries both styles (yeah Taishi Narikuni tried Greco after winning the world title in FS but failed miserably) 

kids switch styles when they are younger to find what they can do better. but when they settle into one of those two styles that never changes. 

 

those genius guys in UWW (previously FILA) tried to find a way to show the world these styles are different. as far as I know they came up with two solutions. (there were other solutions like having different mat colors but that was costly)

 

1) let the Greco guys wrestle naked ! obviously I mean just the upper body  I remember I heard one of their officials saying that's more "attractive" 

2) having different weight classes

 

they eventually went for #2. this way they just want to show the world these styles are different. and yes I know this is extremely stupid but UWW/FILA officials were never smart

[phelps 7,867]

  On 10/26/2023 at 8:19 PM, MHSN said:

let me give you a detailed answer 

 

people who know nothing about this sport usually can't understand the difference between GR and FS. I even remember some "wise" people even in totallympics suggested having 3 GR weights and 3 FS weights, like a wrestler can easily switch between styles. 50 years ago? maybe but nowadays you can't find a single wrestler in high level who tries both styles (yeah Taishi Narikuni tried Greco after winning the world title in FS but failed miserably) 

kids switch styles when they are younger to find what they can do better. but when they settle into one of those two styles that never changes. 

 

those genius guys in UWW (previously FILA) tried to find a way to show the world these styles are different. as far as I know they came up with two solutions. (there were other solutions like having different mat colors but that was costly)

 

1) let the Greco guys wrestle naked ! obviously I mean just the upper body  I remember I heard one of their officials saying that's more "attractive" 

2) having different weight classes

 

they eventually went for #2. this way they just want to show the world these styles are different. and yes I know this is extremely stupid but UWW/FILA officials were never smart

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except for our Cuban friend, Oscar Pino Hinds 

OK, in Freestyle he only won medals at Panamerican level, but still...it was a great achievement, I think

[NearPup 3,254]

  On 10/26/2023 at 8:19 PM, MHSN said:

1) let the Greco guys wrestle naked ! obviously I mean just the upper body  I remember I heard one of their officials saying that's more "attractive" 

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This is obviously correct but does not go far enough :P

[rafalgorka 1,634]

@LarajaNo, we didn’t understand one another here. I know the difference between greco and freestyle, it’s pretty obvious . My question about difference weight categories was: why there is 125kg category in freestyle but 130kg in greco??? 57kg in freestyle but 60kg in greco??? What’s the point here? 

Edited October 26, 2023 by rafalgorka

[MHSN 3,661]

  On 10/26/2023 at 8:26 PM, phelps said:

except for our Cuban friend, Oscar Pino Hinds 

OK, in Freestyle he only won medals at Panamerican level, but still...it was a great achievement, I think

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actually that wasn't his decision just because he is good in both styles  he was forced to do that because of the great Lopez. that was a desperate try to just be in the Olympics, he knew top FS guys will beat him quite easily

 

poor guy tried FS for few months and when he went to the Pan-Am qualifiers he was told "no sorry you can't wrestle because you won a quota for Cuba before" 

 

I don't know what's in his mind this time, will he try to beat Lopez ? I mean he is 100 years old and Pino is like a giant, he has to beat Lopez but yeah Lopez is not human  aging doesn't apply to him.

 

ps: same as 2020, Pino can't qualify in FS because he already won a quota for Cuba in GR.

[Adriano 594]

  On 10/26/2023 at 8:31 PM, NearPup said:

This is obviously correct but does not go far enough :P

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Can we do this the same in men's judo?

[NearPup 3,254]

  On 10/26/2023 at 9:36 PM, Adriano said:

Can we do this the same in men's judo?

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They need to wear a gi jacket and a belt, but no reason to *have* to wear anything else, really.

[Laraja 1,496]

  On 10/26/2023 at 8:32 PM, rafalgorka said:

@LarajaNo, we didn’t understand one another here. I know the difference between greco and freestyle, it’s pretty obvious . My question about difference weight categories was: why there is 125kg category in freestyle but 130kg in greco??? 57kg in freestyle but 60kg in greco??? What’s the point here? 

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Ah yeah, I just skipped the word "weight" haha

 

 But Mhsn has already answered that previously