Wrestling Qualification to Tokyo 2020 Summer Olympic Games

[phelps 7,847]

  On 3/21/2021 at 9:54 AM, Fly_like_a_don said:

Not to forget he wasted quotas in having team event in each fencing discipline ridiculous when compound archery is still not given  at least 20 quotas for individual event. 

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first of all, no quota was added to the Fencing program, as the team events have been added without adding new quota to those who were already there for the Individual event...they just adjusted the distribution of those spots...

 

second, Fencing is the most historical discipline of the Games together with Athletics and Artistic Gymnastics...so, it was time to make up for that enormous injustice that the was the rotation of 4 out of 6 team events (and we're still talking of a sport with 12 competitions all together, when there are some other sports giving away tons of medals to the same athlete or tons of medals in general without having a true diversification between their disciplines)...

I'm really tired of new sports without tradition and/or special features replacing the core of the Games I've always loved and I still love...

it's absolutely a nonsense...

 

third, team events in Fencing are not just the addition of some individual performance (like many other sports), therefore, if there are 2 sports where team events have their own nature and must be saved, those are Fencing (and Archery)...

 

p.s. Compound Archery doesn't have anything to do with the true art of Archery, which has always been and always will be only the naked Archery (the current olympic event)...

[prso1000 683]

  On 3/21/2021 at 10:42 AM, phelps said:

first of all, no quota was added to the Fencing program, as the team events have been added without adding new quota to those who were already there for the Individual event...they just adjusted the distribution of those spots...

 

second, Fencing is the most historical discipline of the Games together with Athletics and Artistic Gymnastics...so, it was time to make up for that enormous injustice that the was the rotation of 4 out of 6 team events (and we're still talking of a sport with 12 competitions all together, when there are some other sports giving away tons of medals to the same athlete or tons of medals in general without having a true diversification between their disciplines)...

I'm really tired of new sports without tradition and/or special features replacing the core of the Games I've always loved and I still love...

it's absolutely a nonsense...

 

third, team events in Fencing are not just the addition of some individual performance (like many other sports), therefore, if there are 2 sports where team events have their own nature and must be saved, those are Fencing (and Archery)...

 

p.s. Compound Archery doesn't have anything to do with the true art of Archery, which has always been and always will be only the naked Archery (the current olympic event)...

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You imply fencing is more traditional than wrestling ?

[OlympicsFan 860]

  On 3/21/2021 at 10:42 AM, phelps said:

first of all, no quota was added to the Fencing program, as the team events have been added without adding new quota to those who were already there for the Individual event...they just adjusted the distribution of those spots...

 

second, Fencing is the most historical discipline of the Games together with Athletics and Artistic Gymnastics...so, it was time to make up for that enormous injustice that the was the rotation of 4 out of 6 team events (and we're still talking of a sport with 12 competitions all together, when there are some other sports giving away tons of medals to the same athlete or tons of medals in general without having a true diversification between their disciplines)...

I'm really tired of new sports without tradition and/or special features replacing the core of the Games I've always loved and I still love...

it's absolutely a nonsense...

 

third, team events in Fencing are not just the addition of some individual performance (like many other sports), therefore, if there are 2 sports where team events have their own nature and must be saved, those are Fencing (and Archery)...

 

p.s. Compound Archery doesn't have anything to do with the true art of Archery, which has always been and always will be only the naked Archery (the current olympic event)...

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Just because a sport was there since the beginning, doesn’t mean that it should have more Events today than it would normally deserve. Personally I believe that the number of events should at least somewhat reflect the importance of a sport/the number of people that actually are active in that sport.

[dcro 10,210]

  On 3/21/2021 at 10:42 AM, phelps said:

p.s. Compound Archery doesn't have anything to do with the true art of Archery, which has always been and always will be only the naked Archery (the current olympic event)...

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I believe the point was - How come fencing can have all these weapons, while archery must be limited to recurve only?

 

And it is a very good point. For an average audience, recurve/compound are just a variation on the theme the same way foil/epee/sabre are.

 

 

[dcro 10,210]

But then again, comparing archery to fencing in the wrestling qualification thread may be a tiny bit off topic.

[George_D 1,206]

  On 3/21/2021 at 12:03 PM, dcro said:

But then again, comparing archery to fencing in the wrestling qualification thread may be a tiny bit off topic.

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back to the topic again. In 1972 Olympics wrestling had 10 categories in both men's freestyle and greco-roman. Now it has only 6 ..

[Dunadan 1,103]

  On 3/21/2021 at 9:54 AM, Fly_like_a_don said:

Not to forget he wasted quotas in having team event in each fencing discipline ridiculous when compound archery is still not given  at least 20 quotas for individual event. 

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Archery (with teams made of 3 archers) has 64 entries per individual event, fencing (with teams made of 3 fencers) has 32-34, a tiny field if compared to other competitions like World Cups, etc. I'm not sure that World Archery would accept an halved number of entries in recurve to make space for compound.

[Vektor 3,326]

  On 3/21/2021 at 12:06 PM, George_D said:

back to the topic again. In 1972 Olympics wrestling had 10 categories in both men's freestyle and greco-roman. Now it has only 6 ..

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Wrestling is losing events / quotas because women's Greco-Roman still doesn't exist, and the clock is ticking for both wrestling and GR. FIE did their job over the years and introduced female sabre and épéé in the Olympic program.

[Fly_like_a_don 1,113]

  On 3/21/2021 at 12:02 PM, dcro said:

I believe the point was - How come fencing can have all these weapons, while archery must be limited to recurve only?

 

And it is a very good point. For an average audience, recurve/compound are just a variation on the theme the same way foil/epee/sabre are.

 

 

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Exactly what I meant.  128 quotas for archery, 212 for fencing how unfair. And @Dunadan @phelps no matter what you put forward end of the day its wrong. Why should quotas be halved in archery?  36/64 belong to team so team event shouldn't be cancelled so 64 is fine for a sport older than fencing. Instead Fencing should have 128 quotas like archery 20*6 events with only top 3 nations in each discipline  able to send 2 athletes if both in top 8 + 8 tripartite invitation and a mixed team event opossibly, ideally not required. 

 

Of the 84 saved quotas archery can take say 20-24 each gender. 

 

 

12 events in fencing is way too much 

[Vektor 3,326]

  On 3/21/2021 at 1:11 PM, Fly_like_a_don said:

Exactly what I meant.  128 quotas for archery, 212 for fencing how unfair. And @Dunadan @phelps no matter what you put forward end of the day its wrong. Why should quotas be halved in archery?  36/64 belong to team so team event shouldn't be cancelled so 64 is fine for a sport older than fencing. Instead Fencing should have 128 quotas like archery 20*6 events with only top 3 nations able to send 2 athletes if both in top 8 + 8 tripartite invitation and a mixed team event of possibly, ideally not required. 

 

Of the 84 saved quotas archery can take say 20-24 each gender. 

 

 

12 events in fencing is way too much 

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You are mixing things up regarding the age of sports. We are talking about compound archery, which is a very modern discipline, and only got introduced at the World Championships in the 90s. Compared to compound archery all the fencing disciplines are ancient and have been on the Olympic program since 1896/1900. 

 

And the only people who would ever support the idea of a mixed all disciplines fencing team even are the ones who don't understand the sport at all.