Artistic Gymnastics UEG European Championships 2021

[Giovanni Gianni Cattaneo 142]

  On 4/22/2021 at 5:07 PM, thiago_simoes said:

Even with one rotation to go, it's been decided: the Olympic quotas go to  and  Adem Asil. I'm very surprised with Turkey getting its fourth quota to the Olympics. 

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this is Wrong. Quota can go to :RUS, has already 2 quotes from criterias 5 and 6, WC apparatus and WC all around. 

 

[thiago_simoes 1,423]

  On 4/22/2021 at 6:27 PM, Giovanni Gianni Cattaneo said:

this is Wrong. Quota can go to :RUS, has already 2 quotes from criterias 5 and 6, WC apparatus and WC all around. 
 

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The Apparatus World Cup series has not been finished yet. Only after it is finished, Russia will decide if they will take the quota or not.

However, I'd say they will not take the quota. The quota obtained in the Apparatus World Cup series is nominative; this means that it will remain tied to one specific gymnast, and if this gymnast gets injured, say, the day before the Olympics, then Russia would lose this quota.

However, since Russia qualified a full team at the 2018 World Championships, the rules state that the quota obtained at the European Championships go to the country. The quota obtained at the All-Around World Cup series also goes to the country. So, unless the rules state that they have to accept the quota obtained at the Apparatus World Cup series -- and I don't think the rules state this anywhere -- they are free to choose the quotas for the country obtained at the All-Around World Cup and at the European Championships, and take whoever they want to the Olympic Games.

Update: So, I found the section in the document that mentions this. Apparently, Russia might be obliged to take the quota from the Apparatus World Cup series. However, it's still unclear whether they would lose the right to take the quota from the EC if they refuse the quota from the Apparatur WC series. FIG has the most stupid qualification system I've seen in my life!

[Braulio 139]

Bad bad day and meet for many of the pre-favourites like Withlock who is out of any final and specially HIS specialty Pommel Horse

 

And in general for the brits, though they still can have a good championships if they win medals at the AA & apparatus finals.

 

Epke Zonderland now doesn't even have that gigantic D score and his E score could be even lower; attrocious form and execution even worst than when he was at his 'prime' 

 

 

[Makedonas 2,194]

  On 4/22/2021 at 6:05 PM, thiago_simoes said:

Take Petrounias, for example: he has to score 15.334 or better at the Doha World Cup if he wants to go to the Olympics, and he scored 15.366 here. It's too close for comfort, of course, but he's not "training" his way to this event. He's taking it very seriously.

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Do you think Petrounias is expected to qualify for Tokyo? And if he does, do you think he would be the favourite to win gold?

[Giovanni Gianni Cattaneo 142]

  On 4/22/2021 at 6:46 PM, thiago_simoes said:

The Apparatus World Cup series has not been finished yet. Only after it is finished, Russia will decide if they will take the quota or not.

However, I'd say they will not take the quota. The quota obtained in the Apparatus World Cup series is nominative; this means that it will remain tied to one specific gymnast, and if this gymnast gets injured, say, the day before the Olympics, then Russia would lose this quota.

However, since Russia qualified a full team at the 2018 World Championships, the rules state that the quota obtained at the European Championships go to the country. The quota obtained at the All-Around World Cup series also goes to the country. So, unless the rules state that they have to accept the quota obtained at the Apparatus World Cup series -- and I don't think the rules state this anywhere -- they are free to choose the quotas for the country obtained at the All-Around World Cup and at the European Championships, and take whoever they want to the Olympic Games.

Update: So, I found the section in the document that mentions this. Apparently, Russia might be obliged to take the quota from the Apparatus World Cup series. However, it's still unclear whether they would lose the right to take the quota from the EC if they refuse the quota from the Apparatur WC series. FIG has the most stupid qualification system I've seen in my life!

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Russia can't refuse that quota. Apparently, WC have to end BEFORE european, so Russian can't compete for pass. The same confusion is in shooting, where ranking is AFTER and not BEFORE ECH. All pass for ranking are provisional.

@Makedonas, pass for Petrounas depend from... China. For the same rule, china has one pass in WC AA, and have to choose only another pass in WC apparatus. Now, chinese are first in rings and in pommel horse. If they choosen PH, Petrounas is in. If they choosen rings. Petrounas is out

[heywoodu 15,334]

Is there any bitching on social media in your countries as well about German women wearing long pants and such?  

 

The   is obviously meant for the people bitching about it, not for the German athletes who want to show young girls that you don't need to wear those extremely revealing clothes just to be in gymnastics.

[phelps 7,797]

  On 4/22/2021 at 6:46 PM, thiago_simoes said:

The Apparatus World Cup series has not been finished yet. Only after it is finished, Russia will decide if they will take the quota or not.

However, I'd say they will not take the quota. The quota obtained in the Apparatus World Cup series is nominative; this means that it will remain tied to one specific gymnast, and if this gymnast gets injured, say, the day before the Olympics, then Russia would lose this quota.

However, since Russia qualified a full team at the 2018 World Championships, the rules state that the quota obtained at the European Championships go to the country. The quota obtained at the All-Around World Cup series also goes to the country. So, unless the rules state that they have to accept the quota obtained at the Apparatus World Cup series -- and I don't think the rules state this anywhere -- they are free to choose the quotas for the country obtained at the All-Around World Cup and at the European Championships, and take whoever they want to the Olympic Games.

Update: So, I found the section in the document that mentions this. Apparently, Russia might be obliged to take the quota from the Apparatus World Cup series. However, it's still unclear whether they would lose the right to take the quota from the EC if they refuse the quota from the Apparatur WC series. FIG has the most stupid qualification system I've seen in my life!

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according to our sport website OA, they can't...they're only choice is to keep their man leading the Parallel Bars ranking home from the last WC event in Doha and hope someone overtake him in said ranking...

otherwise they would necessarily have to take the World Cup series cards instead of the Continental quota (which would go to Bartolini, ITA)...

 

same situation for China in Asia...even if they get the Continental quota, they are going to leave it on the table because of the World Cup ones (they have 2 men leading 2 disciplines, even if Petrounias could still steal one of those)...

 

to me, the people that invented this qualification procedure are absolutely crazy, a bunch of idiots...

[phelps 7,797]

  On 4/23/2021 at 7:20 AM, Giovanni Gianni Cattaneo said:

Russia can't refuse that quota. Apparently, WC have to end BEFORE european, so Russian can't compete for pass. The same confusion is in shooting, where ranking is AFTER and not BEFORE ECH. All pass for ranking are provisional.

@Makedonas, pass for Petrounas depend from... China. For the same rule, china has one pass in WC AA, and have to choose only another pass in WC apparatus. Now, chinese are first in rings and in pommel horse. If they choosen PH, Petrounas is in. If they choosen rings. Petrounas is out

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Petrounias can still earn his spot by himself by scoring more than 15.334 in Doha, despite what China might decide on their team and quota...

[phelps 7,797]

  On 4/23/2021 at 8:40 AM, heywoodu said:

Is there any bitching on social media in your countries as well about German women wearing long pants and such?  

 

The   is obviously meant for the people bitching about it, not for the German athletes who want to show young girls that you don't need to wear those extremely revealing clothes just to be in gymnastics.

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our social media don't even know that a sport named gymnastics exists...  

[hckošice 15,094]

  On 4/23/2021 at 8:40 AM, heywoodu said:

Is there any bitching on social media in your countries as well about German women wearing long pants and such?  

 

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No.

 

Seriously without Totallympics I would never know there gymnastic competition going on. I believe apart our athlete her coach, some guys in the federation & me no one else know

 

and now about the topic, what you meant by long pants ?