[OFF TOPIC] Politics Thread

[hckošice 14,753]

1 hour ago, Vektor said:

Yeah, it really is. Orbán already opened the gates for China with the Fudan university in Budapest, and this is only the beginning. He probably lost Putin as a major anti-West ally on the world's stage because Russia will be weakened no matter how the war ends, not to mention that his allies inside the EU (Poland, V4) now hate Russia even more. "It's free real-estate" - China looking at Hungary, probably. 

 

Yeah, I think the V4 project is probably over

[Vektor 3,325]

7 minutes ago, hckošice said:

Yeah, I think the V4 project is probably over

Nah, Kaczyński pretty much said yesterday "Fuck the Hungarian communists! Go Orbán!", it was a clear declaration that Poland is 100% behind Orbán regardless of their disagreement on foreign policy. As long as Orbán stays in NATO and to some extent acts like Erdogan, Poland will forever be on our side. And I have no doubts about that PiS will remain in power, they are doing exactly the same thing that Orbán achieved here, they just a bit less smart. 

[konig 1,456]

[Vektor 3,325]

When the remaining Hungarian free media just releases the "doomer wave" version of TISC winner Listen to Your Heart because there's nothing else left to say about what's happening in Hungary

 

[Monzanator 4,453]

Well, I still remember the days when Jobbik was called neo-Nazi & anti-semitic party. And now they are supposed to be the lesser evil to Fidesz? No wonder the opposition failed, this was just a power-grab coalition. Those kind of deals hardly work out.

[Grassmarket 3,353]

Hungary has voted the wrong way & will now be knouted by their overlords.

 

https://www.euronews.com/my-europe/2022/04/05/watch-live-ukraine-likely-to-overshadow-vdl-s-address-to-meps-on-bloc-s-political-prioriti

[Vektor 3,325]

35 minutes ago, Monzanator said:

Well, I still remember the days when Jobbik was called neo-Nazi & anti-semitic party. And now they are supposed to be the lesser evil to Fidesz? No wonder the opposition failed, this was just a power-grab coalition. Those kind of deals hardly work out.

Jobbik went from far-right to center-right when Fidesz radicalized itself so much that there wasn't any point to being on the far-right anymore if you actually had any aspirations of winning the election, which Jobbik certainly during the 2010s. 

 

And now we got a new far-right party instead of Jobbik, outside of the united opposition, but they don't have the same large voter base. Jobbik had 20% of the votes for two elections (and maybe even 30% at some point between the elections), the current far-right party got 6%. 

 

Anyway, maybe the opposition learned its lesson this time: change comes from the left, not from the right. Hungary needs a healthy left-wing that can stand on its own, without parties like Jobbik. As long as the left-wing is a shadow of its former self, without any new leaders and new ideas, Orbán will never have a real opponent in Hungary. 

[Monzanator 4,453]

51 minutes ago, Vektor said:

Jobbik went from far-right to center-right when Fidesz radicalized itself so much that there wasn't any point to being on the far-right anymore if you actually had any aspirations of winning the election, which Jobbik certainly during the 2010s. 

 

And now we got a new far-right party instead of Jobbik, outside of the united opposition, but they don't have the same large voter base. Jobbik had 20% of the votes for two elections (and maybe even 30% at some point between the elections), the current far-right party got 6%. 

 

Anyway, maybe the opposition learned its lesson this time: change comes from the left, not from the right. Hungary needs a healthy left-wing that can stand on its own, without parties like Jobbik. As long as the left-wing is a shadow of its former self, without any new leaders and new ideas, Orbán will never have a real opponent in Hungary. 

 

At the end of the day Orban placed himself as the lesser evil to Jobbik and won long-term big time. I'm shocked Jobbik has been dissolved yet since I don't believe anyone would buy into their re-branding. It never works in politics.

 

Left-wing parties are hard to win out in former communist states. The Polish left-wing side is more or less dead since 2005, they tried to re-brand some old communists since then and the current "social democratic" left-wing party is led by a former head of the Communist student organization The old commrades are unwilling to let go. No wonder nobody votes for left-wing in Poland since basically 17 years.

[Vektor 3,325]

37 minutes ago, Monzanator said:

 

At the end of the day Orban placed himself as the lesser evil to Jobbik and won long-term big time. I'm shocked Jobbik has been dissolved yet since I don't believe anyone would buy into their re-branding. It never works in politics.

 

Left-wing parties are hard to win out in former communist states. The Polish left-wing side is more or less dead since 2005, they tried to re-brand some old communists since then and the current "social democratic" left-wing party is led by a former head of the Communist student organization The old commrades are unwilling to let go. No wonder nobody votes for left-wing in Poland since basically 17 years.

2006 and the complete ineptitude of the Hungarian Socialist Party destroyed the left-wing here far more than the communists ever did.

 

I mean, look up the 1994 Hungarian election results: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1994_Hungarian_parliamentary_election

 

We went full red just 5 years after the fall of Hungarian communism and the socialist party was in charge for 12 years (1994-1998, 2002-2010). The 2006 unrest and how the socialists handled it changed everything, and to this day the left-wing can't figure it how to build back its base back. 

 

I think Hungarians don't actually hate left-wing politics. The issue is that the new wave of Hungarian young politicians think that Western progressivism is the answer against Orbán. Sometimes it feels like the opposition thinks they are campaigning in the US, not in Hungary. I mean, the main strategy of the 2022 opposition campaign was to literally copy Biden's anti-Trump campaign, and it didn't work because Hungarians don't hate Orbán the way many Americans hate Trump. This fucking "we are morally superior, give us all the power" centrists neoliberal shit needs to go because it clearly doesn't work in this country. Push some actual left-wing ideas because in this country it might actually win an election for them as it did before. 

[hckošice 14,753]

In Slovakia people literally bless themselves just by hearing the word Jobbik

 

The thing I do not understand is If they claim not being the same anymore, why ffs they did not change the name ? This is completely stupid.