[OFF TOPIC] Politics Thread

[KingOfTheRhinos 80]

2 hours ago, Olympian1010 said:

@KingOfTheRhinos Have you heard of this channel? I can’t stop watching their videos. Satire to perfection.

 

Yeah, I love their videos!

[heywoodu 16,459]

3 hours ago, intoronto said:

I think most people are not extremely to the left as you. Anything that goes against you seems to be automatically considered as "right". It isn't

 

Very true. This forum is generally very much left-leaning, with a few exceptions  

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[Blue Swede 8]

Primaries?

 

Well,from the Scandinavian perspective it looks like Trump is winning.

 

I don´t see how any democratic party candidate can win in November.

 

Sanders seems frail and too left in the US perspective.

 

Buttigieg is openly gay,and I don´t think average Joe in Mason, Ohio is ready for that yet.

 

Biden is in a terrible mess and looks weak.

 

Waarren is out IMO,and Klobuchar isn´t capable to bring enough votes.

 

Convent could be interesting since the democratic establishment don´t want the unelectable Sanders.

[Agger 1,841]

30 minutes ago, Blue Swede said:

Primaries?

 

Well,from the Scandinavian perspective it looks like Trump is winning.

 

I don´t see how any democratic party candidate can win in November.

 

Sanders seems frail and too left in the US perspective.

 

Buttigieg is openly gay,and I don´t think average Joe in Mason, Ohio is ready for that yet.

 

Biden is in a terrible mess and looks weak.

 

Waarren is out IMO,and Klobuchar isn´t capable to bring enough votes.

 

Convent could be interesting since the democratic establishment don´t want the unelectable Sanders.

 

Joe the Plumber is from Toledo, Ohio

 

But well. 2 things in your analysis that I don't quite agree with here in another Scandinavian country  

 

1. Buttigieg's main "problem" isn't so much being gay, Almost 90 % of democrats are open to voting on an openly gay person according to Gallup and even among Republicans it's up to 60. Sure there are some who won't. But the main issue is minority votes. We've seen polls in the past where he's at 0 % of black votes and below 5 among latinos. That doesn't win an election. A potential Biden collapse (though it is certainly looking that way, I'll be waiting for South Carolina before calling his campaign dead).

 

2. Unelectable Sanders? That's a question of who you're asking. 

He was the highest at perceived electability after the NH debate and (though they shouldn't be used too much at this time) he is winning most polls against Trump, very often at the top of the democratic field. Meanwhile the super delegates are still pretty quiet. The endorsement's doesn't show the same opposition as 4 years ago (though the diversity in the field does make it harder to foresee)

 

Electability is hard to forecast, but I don't think that's what the Democratic establishment is the most worried about when it comes to Sanders. It's more a question of him moving the party too much, especially considering that he's only really a Democrat when looking for the nomination for president. Questionable as it may seem, it's really not that strange to be frustrated about somebody joining just to become president.

 

But generally:

It feels like a brokered convention is coming up (but that's been said at early stages of other primaries as well), but it could change quickly. Bloomberg is getting more and more attention (not just for his paid ads) and with Biden still likely to get a major amount of delegates (Buttigieg and Warren in contention for a bunch as well), it could get very tough.

 

Will be interesting when other super tuesday states will follow Arkansas giving us polls. It's getting closer

[Blue Swede 8]

We will also have the Michael Bloomberg effect to consider when Super Tuesday comes.

 

From what I understand,he is putting himself outthere via TV commercials in a very aggressive way and he is gaining support for each day it seems.

 

He has unlimited funding and those things are important in american politics.

[Agger 1,841]

26 minutes ago, Blue Swede said:

We will also have the Michael Bloomberg effect to consider when Super Tuesday comes.

 

From what I understand,he is putting himself outthere via TV commercials in a very aggressive way and he is gaining support for each day it seems.

 

He has unlimited funding and those things are important in american politics.

 

Money and ads is one thing, but it's not all. If you don't have a message, it won't help much. Klobuchar is moving up and she's one of the candidates with least money while Steyer has been on a spending spree in the next two states, and it looks like it will at very best give him delegates in South Carolina.

 

What is very interesting is that Bloomberg is getting attention, not just in the ads, but getting more positive attention on TV.

But Bloomberg is a big question mark. He could be forced into the Nevada debate in a week (some theories say that he wants to, others that it was one of the reasons for not doing any fundraising) which could be interesting.

No matter what, the easiest thing to say seems to be that this is another election that could end up rewriting plenty of books.

[rajiv 31]

Well if you insist I'll tell you what will happen in the Democratic primaries

 

Sanders should win the nomination but he won't because he is a commie and the( very rich ) Democratic Establishment  don't like that 

 

Bioomberg will get the nomination .

So the billionaire Jew beats the millionare Jew .

 

That's the USA way

Not bad for a community less than 2% of the American population 

[rajiv 31]

Oh I should add means Trump will be reelected 

Blacks don't vote for Jews ( the slave trade and all that )

[Olympian1010 8,297]

There is potentially a backup candidate for progressives should Bernie lose, that could very well spoil the race for the Democrats. 
 

When Sanders wasn’t elected in 2016, many progressives were willing to vote for Trump out of protest. Polls have already showed they are willing to do the same again. What’s different this time is the logistics of the minority party candidates. Supposedly, the Green Party, Socialist Party, Peace and Freedom Party, and some other tiny left parties are trying to work together to nominate a single candidate for president. If they could convince disenfranchised Sanders supporters to back their guy, it’s over for the democrats.

 

I found that out while looking to jump ship from the Democratic Party entirely should we not elect Sanders again. The problem with these small parties is that they’re all fucking weird. I think most them might even be further left than me 

 

If I end up changing my registration, it will probably be to Green or Peace and Freedom (which is only active California).