Doping Cases and Bans 2021 Thread

[Orangehair43 256]

  On 7/30/2021 at 3:17 PM, Monzanator said:

When Americans don't win gold medals they always have to blame outside influence, not themselves.

 

Sun Yang isn't here yet they don't blame Dean & Scott for taking away their medals at this distance?

 

Efimova isn't taking away medals so now it's Rylov who has to be on doping, right? How convenient

 

Or maybe they should blame Hafnaoui who also had the nerve to take away one of the US gold medals in 400 free. He must be on doping, right?

 

America only loses when someone else is cheating. Ho-hum! Someone needs to tell Ryan Murphy he's not Ryan Lochte

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Efimova has tested positive twice so she is well and truly proved to be a doper. 

[Monzanator 4,611]

  On 7/30/2021 at 3:36 PM, Orangehair43 said:

Efimova has tested positive twice so she is well and truly proved to be a doper. 

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But the issue here is why Russia as a country should be banned from these Games not whether Efirmova should start. And Efimova is so irrelevant these days I presume even US swimmers don't mind she's here. After all, she is not taking away any medals from them

 

Since Justin Gatlin was allowed to take part in Rio Games as a repeated doping offender and only a hamstring injury prevented him from making Tokyo I feel like Ryan Murphy is barking at the wrong tree to begin with.

[Orangehair43 256]

  On 7/30/2021 at 3:48 PM, Monzanator said:

But the issue here is why Russia as a country should be banned from these Games not whether Efirmova should start. And Efimova is so irrelevant these days I presume even US swimmers don't mind she's here. After all, she is not taking away any medals from them

 

Since Justin Gatlin was allowed to take part in Rio Games as a repeated doping offender and only a hamstring injury prevented him from making Tokyo I feel like Ryan Murphy is barking at the wrong tree to begin with.

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Lily King famously condemned Gatlin as well. 
 

And Russia should be banned because they committed state sponsored doping and every whistleblower and Anti doping organisation in the world recommend  a total ban - but the IOC and CAS disagree with that.
 

Efirmova appeared in the relay and while it is unlikely they will beat the Americans in that one things might explode if they do in any of the three finals. 

[Monzanator 4,611]

  On 7/30/2021 at 4:22 PM, Orangehair43 said:

Lily King famously condemned Gatlin as well. 
 

Efirmova appeared in the relay and while it is unlikely they will beat the Americans in that one things might explode if they do in any of the three finals. 

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Lily King doesn't run the USTF. USA speaks high morals when accusing Russians of all the doping evil yet they allow Justin Gatlin to compete and enjoy Nike sponsorship like he's a perfect role model or something. This is a hypocrisy of the highest order. I will always point this out and indicate how two-faced Ryan Murphy's sound like now.

[Orangehair43 256]

  On 7/30/2021 at 4:26 PM, Monzanator said:

 

Lily King doesn't run the USTF. USA speaks high morals when accusing Russians of all the doping evil yet they allow Justin Gatlin to compete and enjoy Nike sponsorship like he's a perfect role model or something. This is a hypocrisy of the highest order. I will always point this out and indicate how two-faced Ryan Murphy's sound like now.

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USTF couldn’t legally ban Gatlin even if they tried. He would simply sue and win - CAS has made it clear governing bodies cannot ban athletes if they doping bans have expired. Blame CAS and The IOC because the IOC are only people who could put in place a rule that sees a lifetime ban from competiting for all dopers and get CAS to agree to it. 

[Monzanator 4,611]

  On 7/30/2021 at 4:30 PM, Orangehair43 said:

USTF couldn’t legally ban Gatlin even if they tried. He would simply sue and win - CAS has made it clear governing bodies cannot ban athletes if they doping bans have expired. Blame CAS and The IOC because the IOC are only people who could put in place a rule that sees a lifetime ban from competiting for all dopers and get CAS to agree to it. 

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USTF selected Gatlin to compete so they share the blame. The "it's all IOC fault" excuse doesnt hold ground. Somehow USTF didn't let Sha'Cari Richardson to compete in Tokyo (in the relay) so it shows they can shut someone down IF they only want to.

[Orangehair43 256]

  On 7/30/2021 at 4:33 PM, Monzanator said:

 

USTF selected Gatlin to compete so they share the blame. The "it's all IOC fault" excuse doesnt hold ground. Somehow USTF didn't let Sha'Cari Richardson to compete in Tokyo (in the relay) so it shows they can shut someone down IF they only want to.

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They couldn’t select her for the relay without breaking their own rules that say the only those who run in the final can be selected. As her result was annulled she didn’t. 

[Monzanator 4,611]

  On 7/30/2021 at 4:34 PM, Orangehair43 said:

They couldn’t select her for the relay without breaking their own rules that say the only those who run in the final can be selected. As her result was annulled she didn’t. 

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Who can stop USTF from changing their OWN rules? The IOC?  This is a complete technicality some lawyers make money from but casual sport fans deserve better than that. Whenever there's a will, there's a way.

[Orangehair43 256]

  On 7/30/2021 at 4:37 PM, Monzanator said:

Who can stop USTF from changing their OWN rules? The IOC?  This is a complete technicality some lawyers make money from but casual sport fans deserve better than that. Whenever there's a will, there's a way.

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The American Courts. The Main reason  USTF has that trial format is because America is litigation mad and it would all end in frequent court battles. 

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  On 7/30/2021 at 4:41 PM, Orangehair43 said:

The American Courts. The Main reason  USTF has that trial format is because America is litigation mad and it would all end in frequent court battles. 

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Those trials would end in out of court settlements anyway especially if an athlete who sues USTF would be suspended during a course of such trial (which makes sense since USTF would be treated as employer - isn't that what Jess Varnish argued vs British Cycling in the UK trial?).

 

Plus Nike (or any other sponsor) would probably pay enough money under the table for those #5 & #6 relay hopefuls so they don't file a case and block Richardson's place in the relay. Most things in USA usually come down to money in the end.