Shooting 2017 - 2018 Discussion Thread

[Dolby 757]

4 hours ago, dcro said:

"The IOC is also encouraging the inclusion of mixed-gender team events"

 

THIS!

"Again, we must emphasize that this decision is under the full authority of the IOC; it is not the ISSF that is making this decision." 

 

Translation: Don't look at us, direct all the nasty tweets to IOC. 

[Prashanth 186]

But it would be nyc to see a mixed team, Best of 10m combine and perform, Good to see them. Hope it would flourish like the other mixed doubles in different sports.

[hckošice 16,630]

well, some 99% chance of medal for in Tokyo then

[Gianlu33 6,029]

16 hours ago, heywoodu said:

RIP double trap, the event that made trap look like a mere easyvideo game  

What shame but it isn't finish yet. The italian federation president (he is vice-president of the ISSF) will fight for have the double trap in Tokyo

[Agger 1,841]

The recomendations are now official.

 

http://www.issf-sports.org/news.ashx?newsid=2731

 

I am personally not against cutting trap, but very much against the decisions on pistol and rifle events.

 

I would prefer what the Danish shooting Union prefered.

 

http://skytteunion.dk/wp-content/uploads/2017/02/ISSF_program_proposal_Tokyo2020.pdf

 

In short it was:

Cut double trap, and give more quotas for the other shotgun events.

Make 50m rifle prone mixed gender

Cut 25m rapid fire pistol and make a mixed gender 25m standard piston (though I like the rapid fire pistol, it's the smallest of the pistol events)

[dareza 911]

well for Serbia this is good news, but Im not happy. Mixed events are not for Olympics.

[hckošice 16,630]

11 minutes ago, dareza said:

well for Serbia this is good news, but Im not happy. Mixed events are not for Olympics.

 

same here. not happy with it, but well, only very rarely the things works for us (look the C2 Canoe slalom removal proposals) so at least once they invented something favorable also for us   unbelievable medal chance with Zuzana and Erik

[dcro 10,211]

Olympic shooting officially signs a death warrant, as they say.

[OlympicsFan 860]

So which events will we have in Tokyo if this all works out?

As a german fan i dont care about double trap or 50 m pistol being cut (we never won medals in those disciplines anyway) ... but i think Germany has always been good in 10 m rifle, so this is not a dream scenario either.

Mixed events are complete nonsense in my opinion. Either the sport is developed enough on the womens side, so that women should have their own team events or the sport isnt developed enough on the womens side, which would mean that there are only very few nations that are competitive in a mixed team event.

 

In my opinion the perfect olympic schedule would look like this:

 

Summer:

Diving: 3/10 m individual/synchronized (8 events)

Swimming: 100/200 m free/breast/back/fly + 400/800 m free + 200/400 m IM + 4 x 100/200 free relay + Medley relay + 5 km open water (32 events)

Water polo/Basketball/Field hockey/Football/Handball/Rugby/(Beach) Volleyball: Mens/womens team (14 events)

Archery: Mens/womens individual/team (4 events)

Athletics: 100/200/400/800/1500/5000 m + 100/400 m hurdles + 3000 m SC + Marathon + 20 km race walking + High/Long/Triple jump + Pole vault + Decathlon/Heptathlon + Javelin throw + Shot put + Hammer throw + Discus throw + 4 x 100/400 m relay (44 events)

Boxing: Not more than 6 weight categories on the mens side (for example -52 kg, -60 kg, -69 kg, -80 kg, -91 kg, +91 kg) and not more than 4 weight categories on the womens side (-50 kg, -58 kg, -70 kg, +70 kg) (10 events)

Canoeing slalom: Mens/womens C1/K1 (4 events)

Canoeing sprint: Mens/womens k1 200/100 m, mens/womens k2 500 m, mens c1 500 m (7 events)

BMX/Mountainbike/Triathlon/Golf/Trampoline: Mens/womens individual (10 events)

Badminton/Tennis/Table tennis: Mens/womens individual/doubles (4 events)

Cycling road: Mens/womens individual road race/time trial (4 events)

Cycling track: Mens/womens Team sprint/pursuit/keirin/individual sprint + Some individual endurance event (10 events)

Equestrian: Team/individual eventing/jumping + maybe individual/team dressage (4 events)

Fencing: Mens/womens individual/team foil/sabre/epee (6 events)

Artistic gymnastics: Mens/womens individual/team all-around + Mens pommel horse/rings/high bar/horizontal bar + Womens uneven bars/balance beam + Mens/womens vault/floor (14 events)

Judo: 6 weight categories on both sides (12 events)

Taekwondo: 4 weight categories on both sides are fine (8 events)

Wrestling: In my opinion there are clearly too many weight categories in wrestling, i think 15 events would be enough (5 in mens freestyle, 4 in womens freestyle, 3 in mens greco-roman, 3 in womens greco-roman) (15 events)

Rowing: No leightweight categories anymore (why are there leightweight categories in rowing, but not in canoeing?). Mens/womens single/double/quadruple sculls + Mens/womens pair/four/eight (12 events)

Sailing: Mens/womens RS:X/Laser/470/49er (8 events)

Shooting: Mens/womens trap/skeet/10 m air rifle/10 m air pistol/50 m pistol/50 m rifle 3 positions/rapid fire pistol (14 events)

No weightlifting, synchronized swimming, rhythmic gymnastics, modern pentathlon, baseball, climbing, surfing, skateboard

 

Winter:

Alpine skiing: Mens/womens slalom/giant slalom/super g/downhill (8 events)

Biathlon: Mens/womens sprint/pursuit/mass start/relay + maybe individual (8-10 events)

Bob: Mens/womens individual/double (4 events)

Cross-country: Mens womens sprint/relay/team sprint + Mens 15 km classic/free + Womens 10 km classic/free (10 events)

Curling/Ice hockey: Mens/womens team (4 events)

Figure skating: Mens/womens individual + Pairs + Ice dancing (4 events)

Freestyle skiing: Mens/womens ski cross/slopestyle/halfpipe/moguls (8 events)

Luge: Mens/womens single + maybe mens doubles (2-3 events)

Nordic combined: Mens single/team sprint (2 events)

Speed skating: Mens/womens 500/100/1500/5000 m (8 events)

Skeleton: Mens/womens individual (2 events)

Ski jumping: Mens/womens individual/team (4 events)

Snowboarding: Mens/womens parallel slalom/halfpipe/slopestyle/cross (8 events)

Short track: Mens/womens 500/1500 + maybe a relay (4-6 events)

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Edited February 23, 2017 by OlympicsFan

[LDOG 2,480]

hace 2 horas, OlympicsFan said:

So which events will we have in Tokyo if this all works out?

As a german fan i dont care about double trap or 50 m pistol being cut (we never won medals in those disciplines anyway) ... but i think Germany has always been good in 10 m rifle, so this is not a dream scenario either.

Mixed events are complete nonsense in my opinion. Either the sport is developed enough on the womens side, so that women should have their own team events or the sport isnt developed enough on the womens side, which would mean that there are only very few nations that are competitive in a mixed team event.

 

In my opinion the perfect olympic schedule would look like this:

Spoiler

 

Summer:

Diving: 3/10 m individual/synchronized (8 events)

Swimming: 100/200 m free/breast/back/fly + 400/800 m free + 200/400 m IM + 4 x 100/200 free relay + Medley relay + 5 km open water (32 events)

Water polo/Basketball/Field hockey/Football/Handball/Rugby/(Beach) Volleyball: Mens/womens team (14 events)

Archery: Mens/womens individual/team (4 events)

Athletics: 100/200/400/800/1500/5000 m + 100/400 m hurdles + 3000 m SC + Marathon + 20 km race walking + High/Long/Triple jump + Pole vault + Decathlon/Heptathlon + Javelin throw + Shot put + Hammer throw + Discus throw + 4 x 100/400 m relay (44 events)

Boxing: Not more than 6 weight categories on the mens side (for example -52 kg, -60 kg, -69 kg, -80 kg, -91 kg, +91 kg) and not more than 4 weight categories on the womens side (-50 kg, -58 kg, -70 kg, +70 kg) (10 events)

Canoeing slalom: Mens/womens C1/K1 (4 events)

Canoeing sprint: Mens/womens k1 200/100 m, mens/womens k2 500 m, mens c1 500 m (7 events)

BMX/Mountainbike/Triathlon/Golf/Trampoline: Mens/womens individual (10 events)

Badminton/Tennis/Table tennis: Mens/womens individual/doubles (4 events)

Cycling road: Mens/womens individual road race/time trial (4 events)

Cycling track: Mens/womens Team sprint/pursuit/keirin/individual sprint + Some individual endurance event (10 events)

Equestrian: Team/individual eventing/jumping + maybe individual/team dressage (4 events)

Fencing: Mens/womens individual/team foil/sabre/epee (6 events)

Artistic gymnastics: Mens/womens individual/team all-around + Mens pommel horse/rings/high bar/horizontal bar + Womens uneven bars/balance beam + Mens/womens vault/floor (14 events)

Judo: 6 weight categories on both sides (12 events)

Taekwondo: 4 weight categories on both sides are fine (8 events)

Wrestling: In my opinion there are clearly too many weight categories in wrestling, i think 15 events would be enough (5 in mens freestyle, 4 in womens freestyle, 3 in mens greco-roman, 3 in womens greco-roman) (15 events)

Rowing: No leightweight categories anymore (why are there leightweight categories in rowing, but not in canoeing?). Mens/womens single/double/quadruple sculls + Mens/womens pair/four/eight (12 events)

Sailing: Mens/womens RS:X/Laser/470/49er (8 events)

Shooting: Mens/womens trap/skeet/10 m air rifle/10 m air pistol/50 m pistol/50 m rifle 3 positions/rapid fire pistol (14 events)

No weightlifting, synchronized swimming, rhythmic gymnastics, modern pentathlon, baseball, climbing, surfing, skateboard

 

Winter:

Alpine skiing: Mens/womens slalom/giant slalom/super g/downhill (8 events)

Biathlon: Mens/womens sprint/pursuit/mass start/relay + maybe individual (8-10 events)

Bob: Mens/womens individual/double (4 events)

Cross-country: Mens womens sprint/relay/team sprint + Mens 15 km classic/free + Womens 10 km classic/free (10 events)

Curling/Ice hockey: Mens/womens team (4 events)

Figure skating: Mens/womens individual + Pairs + Ice dancing (4 events)

Freestyle skiing: Mens/womens ski cross/slopestyle/halfpipe/moguls (8 events)

Luge: Mens/womens single + maybe mens doubles (2-3 events)

Nordic combined: Mens single/team sprint (2 events)

Speed skating: Mens/womens 500/100/1500/5000 m (8 events)

Skeleton: Mens/womens individual (2 events)

Ski jumping: Mens/womens individual/team (4 events)

Snowboarding: Mens/womens parallel slalom/halfpipe/slopestyle/cross (8 events)

Short track: Mens/womens 500/1500 + maybe a relay (4-6 events)

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I agree in everything except:

-I think TKD needs a few more weight categories (too many people are currently fighting above/below their normal weight just to be in the olympics, it's dangerous).

-Also I think in Fencing you meant 12 events and not 6.

-I would axe men's Football and use all that quota for men's and women's Futsal instead, but I guess you won't like it cuz Germany is just starting to play it