Women's Volleyball FIVB World Championship 2025

[copravolley 634]

3 minutes ago, hoversaBR said:

Yes, Cuba's current coach, Luizomar de Moura, said that Turkey recently even picked up a 16-year-old girl and took her and her family to Turkey for the purpose of naturalizing her in the future.

 

I know other countries have already naturalized volleyball players, including Brazil, but at least in this case, we didn't offer any money to Leal, much less our federation is looking for talent to naturalize. It's becoming a club.

This is clearly the Turkish government's policy, as it happens in various sports disciplines: individuals and teams. They buy these athletes, as Qatar and Bahrain once did.

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21 minutes ago, copravolley said:

This is clearly the Turkish government's policy, as it happens in various sports disciplines: individuals and teams. They buy these athletes, as Qatar and Bahrain once did.

There's the famous case when the UAE imported 15 players from India and Pakistan on the same day then qualified for the 1996 Cricket World Cup after they had never competed in the qualifying tournament before then

Edited September 9, 2025 by Dragon
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[merlinsbeard 23]

9 hours ago, copravolley said:

This is clearly the Turkish government's policy, as it happens in various sports disciplines: individuals and teams. They buy these athletes, as Qatar and Bahrain once did.

There was a Greek dude once all day talking about how evil Erdogan naturalizing everyone and winning thousands of medals, very similar to you.

 

Turkiye won 21 medals in the last 2 olympics, 24 people were involved in these medals (with archery team medal). None of them, not even one of them were naturalized, all of them were born and raised in Turkiye.

 

Yes, unfortunately we have the tendency to naturalize more than European countries but it is because of two reasons:

- European countries also have many athletes whose fathers and mothers not born in that country mostly African people who are on average more athletic and successful in many sports. In many national team in Europe you see more black athletes than white which is okey, I do not have anything against it. But Turkiye try to encounter that with naturalizing which I am against.

- We are not good at many sports including athletics, bringing talented people to the teams also improve your own athletes hopefully. For example in Judo they naturalize a few people and now we have some good young athletes. Athletics did not work but archery somehow did.

 

But in any case we do not have a flock of naturalized people everywhere trying to get medals. As I said, in the last 2 olympics we do not even have one medal from naturalized athletes.

 

It is also very easy to stop countries to have more than one naturalized athlete in team sports. Just allow one as suggested. I think men basketball was doing that, I am not sure if they changed.

 

 

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3 hours ago, merlinsbeard said:

There was a Greek dude once all day talking about how evil Erdogan naturalizing everyone and winning thousands of medals, very similar to you.

 

Turkiye won 21 medals in the last 2 olympics, 24 people were involved in these medals (with archery team medal). None of them, not even one of them were naturalized, all of them were born and raised in Turkiye.

 

Yes, unfortunately we have the tendency to naturalize more than European countries but it is because of two reasons:

- European countries also have many athletes whose fathers and mothers not born in that country mostly African people who are on average more athletic and successful in many sports. In many national team in Europe you see more black athletes than white which is okey, I do not have anything against it. But Turkiye try to encounter that with naturalizing which I am against.

- We are not good at many sports including athletics, bringing talented people to the teams also improve your own athletes hopefully. For example in Judo they naturalize a few people and now we have some good young athletes. Athletics did not work but archery somehow did.

 

But in any case we do not have a flock of naturalized people everywhere trying to get medals. As I said, in the last 2 olympics we do not even have one medal from naturalized athletes.

 

It is also very easy to stop countries to have more than one naturalized athlete in team sports. Just allow one as suggested. I think men basketball was doing that, I am not sure if they changed.

 

 

Volleyball should remain with this actually rules, with a maximum 1 naturalized player at the one moment in each team. At the beginning of the 21st century: Natalia Hanikoglu- a naturalized Ukrainian, played in the Turkish NT; now it's Vargas. 15 years ago in Italian NT was Aguero and later Costagrande. Antropova isn't considered naturalized, but I'm not support to looking for another Russian or Cuban player now for our team. We need good youth work, success in juniors and doing opportunities for these young players to play in our clubs (I think we should introduce a limit of 3 foreign players in Italian clubs in Serie A). This should ensure a good future for us for many years at this sport.

Edited September 10, 2025 by copravolley

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1 hour ago, copravolley said:

Volleyball should remain with this actually rules, with a maximum 1 naturalized player at the one moment in each team. At the beginning of the 21st century: Natalia Hanikoglu- a naturalized Ukrainian, played in the Turkish NT; now it's Vargas. 15 years ago in Italian NT was Aguero and later Costagrande. Antropova isn't considered naturalized, but I'm not support to looking for another Russian or Cuban player now for our team. We need good youth work, success in juniors and doing opportunities for these young players to play in our clubs (I think we should introduce a limit of 3 foreign players in Italian clubs in Serie A). This should ensure a good future for us for many years at this sport.

Another reason Turkiye have many naturalized athletes in team sports is that there is a limitation on the number of foreign players can play for each team. So for the national league, teams try to naturalize good players so that they do not count as foreign players (we also do not have EU passports so all European players count as foreign player) . But as you say it is easy to stop the leveraging of this in the national teams, just put a limitation saying that you can choose only 1 of the naturalized ones at any time. That is it. 

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2 minutes ago, merlinsbeard said:

Another reason Turkiye have many naturalized athletes in team sports is that there is a limitation on the number of foreign players can play for each team. So for the national league, teams try to naturalize good players so that they do not count as foreign players (we also do not have EU passports so all European players count as foreign player) . But as you say it is easy to stop the leveraging of this in the national teams, just put a limitation saying that you can choose only 1 of the naturalized ones at any time. That is it. 

What I have see is that Turkish women are rarely travel to play outside of Turkey – now, practically no one plays abroad. There was also a period when Italian women only played at home, but now they're also traveling to Turkey, the USA, Japan, etc. What do you think about this?

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There’s a huge difference between selecting players with a family migration history, but who often been born and/or raised in the selecting country and who have gone through the national development programs, and simply paying huge amounts of money to buy athletes with no previous relation to their new country, as happened recently with the Jamaican athletes.

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1 hour ago, copravolley said:

What I have see is that Turkish women are rarely travel to play outside of Turkey – now, practically no one plays abroad. There was also a period when Italian women only played at home, but now they're also traveling to Turkey, the USA, Japan, etc. What do you think about this?

I think it is again because of the foreign players limitations. Fenerbahçe, Vakıfbank, Eczacıbaşı and Galatasaray have a decent budget and they pay a lot for the Turkish players since they are very valuable in the national league.

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1 hour ago, merlinsbeard said:

I think it is again because of the foreign players limitations. Fenerbahçe, Vakıfbank, Eczacıbaşı and Galatasaray have a decent budget and they pay a lot for the Turkish players since they are very valuable in the national league.

For me, sometimes it`s good to go outside of your comfort zone, for exmaple, go to Italy and Japan for 1-2 years and became to Turkey. But of course there aren`t a easy decision, If you earn good money at home and you are popular and liked by the fans. In 1999, Francesca Piccinini went to Brazil at the age of 20 for a one year and later said that the trip gave her a lot in future cereer. Egonu also played in Turkey for one season in Vakifbank.

Edited September 10, 2025 by copravolley