Wrestling 2020 Discussion Thread

[hckošice 15,126]

  On 1/15/2020 at 9:41 PM, MHSN said:

even Slovakia and Romania won Olympic medals like that !

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Sadly nowadays it´s like our complete NT is composed of naturalized guys. I mean yes, a couple of them are young and competed for us already at different juniors categories, but it is still kinda weird for me IMO, we used to have some solid wrestlers in the czechoslovakian era, now it looks like we're not even trying to attract kids for this sport or create any talents, just do some shopping... it's almost an insult to the likes of Lohyňa brothers and others our glorious olympic medalists of the past like Athanasov, Poliačik, Strnisko, Karabin or Herda

[MHSN 3,661]

  On 1/15/2020 at 10:45 PM, hckosice said:

 

Sadly nowadays it´s like our complete NT is composed of naturalized guys. I mean yes, a couple of them are young and competed for us already at different juniors categories, but it is still kinda weird for me IMO, we used to have some solid wrestlers in the czechoslovakian era, now it looks like we're not even trying to attract kids for this sport or create any talents, just do some shopping... it's almost an insult to the likes of Lohyňa brothers and others our glorious olympic medalists of the past like Athanasov, Poliačik, Strnisko, Karabin or Herda

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I know but i was referring to David Musulbes, right before the 2008 Olympics he just decided to come back to the mat (and I don't know how he found Slovakia or Slovakia found him) I wonder if he even spent a month or even a week in Slovakia before winning an Olympic medal for the country !

 

these new guys are competing for Slovakia for a while, at least that's more understandable. even though I doubt if they live in Slovakia. I mean it's OK if someone moves to another country and after a while decides to wrestle for them. I don't like it personally but that's understandable. but what I dislike more is people representing countries they know nothing about ! and I have to mention Hungary too, they are forming a full squad of Russian wrestlers in freestyle. Musukaev already won medal and quota for them last year.

 

and unfortunately we will see more of this in next few months, specially for ex-Soviet countries. we will see more of 2nd tier Russian wrestlers trying their chance for other countries for Tokyo.

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  On 1/15/2020 at 11:10 PM, MHSN said:

I know but i was referring to David Musulbes, right before the 2008 Olympics he just decided to come back to the mat (and I don't know how he found Slovakia or Slovakia found him) I wonder if he even spent a month or even a week in Slovakia before winning an Olympic medal for the country !

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I remember him qualifying for the games in spring 2007 winning the European championship, so yes at least 1 year before the games he was already competing for Slovakia

 

Actually I also remember the story, because it was shown in our TV when he won that Bejing medal, it was the NT coach at that time Rodion Kertanti who called him (as good friends) because he knew that David wanted to win one more Olymic gold before retiring and Russia apparently denied him the chance saying he is too old and they are focusing on some younger guys or so..so in 2006 if I´m not wrong Rodion asked him if he don´t want to try it in SVK colors, he said yes ad the rest you know

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  On 1/15/2020 at 9:28 PM, phelps said:

 

no, I'm really serious...

 

in the past years there have been quite a few furious fights also in the Italian Parliament, where you could see 120+ kg men hitting -60kg women, too...

 

luckily, it's quite some time that this has not happened anymore, but in the Berlusconi era (and earlier) it was quite normal to see scenes like that...

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I still remember Fiano's show during the 2019 financial law voting It's happened a lot of time

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Good job by our Wrestler Abdellatif Mohamed as he won gold in men's -130 kg he defeated Asian Games Champions in quarters by fall,  this guy is keeping on improving and maybe with a good draw he can be a contender for a medal in Tokyo 

[MHSN 3,661]

  On 1/15/2020 at 11:22 PM, hckosice said:

 

I remember him qualifying for the games in spring 2007 winning the European championship, so yes at least 1 year before the games he was already competing for Slovakia

 

Actually I also remember the story, because it was shown in our TV when he won that Bejing medal, it was the NT coach at that time Rodion Kertanti who called him (as good friends) because he knew that David wanted to win one more Olymic gold before retiring and Russia apparently denied him the chance saying he is too old and they are focusing on some younger guys or so..so in 2006 if I´m not wrong Rodion asked him if he don´t want to try it in SVK colors, he said yes ad the rest you know

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actually that was early 2008 (not 2007) of course you can't switch just before the Olympics, you have to do it before the Olympic qualifiers to qualify first I still think he didn't spent more than week in Slovakia before Beijing 2008.

 

if I'm not wrong Musulbes had retired and was coaching, he just came back for the Olympics. and who knows he most probably could win the gold if it wasn't for cheater Taymazov.

 

that was interesting to know the connection between him and Slovakia. that was too easy and I remember Kertanti as wrestler, (and yes I know he is Russian too) also Lohyna. I think I remember one more Slovakian freestyle wrestler but can't recall the name. (had to google to remember, Stefan Fernyak)

[hckošice 15,126]

  On 1/16/2020 at 9:58 AM, MHSN said:

 

actually that was early 2008 (not 2007) of course you can't switch just before the Olympics, you have to do it before the Olympic qualifiers to qualify first I still think he didn't spent more than week in Slovakia before Beijing 2008.

 

if I'm not wrong Musulbes had retired and was coaching, he just came back for the Olympics. and who knows he most probably could win the gold if it wasn't for cheater Taymazov.

 

that was interesting to know the connection between him and Slovakia. that was too easy and I remember Kertanti as wrestler, (and yes I know he is Russian too) also Lohyna. I think I remember one more Slovakian freestyle wrestler but can't recall the name. (had to google to remember, Stefan Fernyak)

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Ah ok, sorry my bad, so it´s actually really weird then. I obviously did some googling and find this article from 7th June 2007 Russian Olympic champion from Sydney want compete for Slovakia https://www.olympic.sk/clanok/rusky-olympijsky-vitaz-v-zapaseni-zo-sydney-david-musulbes-chce-reprezentovat-slovensko

 

Kertanti explaining that yes Musulbes was at that time coach of RUS team but still wanted to wrestle, the Russian authorities denied him this chance saying he is too old, apparently also Georgia was offering him the citzenship but his friendship with Kertanti prevailed and he choosed Slovakia

 

Actually yes, from what I read he was resident in Volgograd and came to Slovakia only few days per year, mostly during the competitions like national championships or promo actions etc..

 

I can´t say about all, I definitely doubt they are really connected with Slovakia, but 3 of the guys are actually for sure Taimuraz Salkazanov, Akhsarbek Gulaev and Boris Makoev are all quite connected with the country, the first two are living here for a long while now, they even competed in the juniors categories for our colours. Taimuraz is speaking a very nice and clean fluent slovak, same for Gulaev, Makoev is at least also trying to speak in slovak with our journalists too but he has to use sometimes russian or english words

[phelps 7,861]

Matteo Pellicone Tournament (Ostia, ITA)

 

Day #2 Recap

 

 

women's Wrestling

-57kg
Gold: Odunayo Folasade Adekuoroye
Silver: Anshu
Bronze: Linda Morais & Allison MacKenzie Ragan

-62kg
Gold: Aisuluu Tynybekova
Silver: Liubov Ovcharova
Bronze: Long Jia & Yuliia Tkach Ostapchuk

-68kg
Gold: Zhou Feng
Silver: Tamyra Mariama Mensah
Bronze: Danielle Suzanne Lappage & Blessing Oborududu

-76kg
Gold: Erica Elizabeth Wiebe
Silver: Zhou Qian
Bronze: Natalia Vorobeva & Aline Rotter Focken

 

 

men's Greco-Roman Wrestling

-72kg
Gold: Mohamed Ibrahim Elsayed
Silver: Selcuk Can
Bronze: Cengiz Arslan & Maksym Yevtushenko

-77kg
Gold: Zoltan Levai
Silver: Yunus Emre Basar
Bronze: Wuileixis De Jesus Rivas Espinoza & Sajan

-82kg
Gold: Gurpreet Singh
Silver: Burhan Akbudak
Bronze: Florian Neumaier & Salih Aydin

 

Edited January 17, 2020 by phelps

[phelps 7,861]

Frank Chamizo pulls out of tomorrow's -74kg tournament in Ostia because he hasn't fully recovered from a knee injury yet...

 

He said that the situation is not worrying at all, but he prefers to take a little bit more rest and focus on the upcoming European Championships...

[phelps 7,861]

Matteo Pellicone Tournament (Ostia, ITA)

 

Day #3 Recap

 

 

women's Wrestling

 

-50kg
Gold: Sarah Ann Hildebrandt
Silver: Emilia Alina Vuc
Bronze: Oksana Livach & Victoria Lacey Anthony

-53kg
Gold: Vinesh
Silver: Luisa Elizabeth Valverde Melendres
Bronze: Katherine Grace Shai & Pang Qianyu

-55kg (Round Robin tournament, 4 starters only)
Gold: Vanesa Kaladzinskaya
Silver: Iryna Husyak
Bronze: Stalvira Orshush

-59kg (Round Robin tournament, 4 starters only)
Gold: Anhelina Lysak
Silver: Yuliya Pisarenka
Bronze: Eman Essam Guda Ebrahim

-65kg (Round Robin tournament, 3 starters only)
Gold: Inna Trazhukova
Silver: Oksana Kukhta Herhel
Bronze: Pai Hsin Ping

-72kg (Round Robin tournament, 4 starters only)
Gold: Maria Selmaier
Silver: Anastasiya Zimiankova
Bronze: Nadine Weinauge

 

men's Freestyle Wrestling

-97kg
Gold: Mohammad Mohammadian
Silver: Aliaksandr Hushtyn
Bronze: Kyle Frederick Snyder & Murazi Mchedlidze

-125kg
Gold: Amir Zare
Silver: Bilial Makhov
Bronze: Amarveer Dhesi & Yusup Batirmurzaev

Edited January 17, 2020 by phelps