Summer Olympic Games 2032 Bid Process

[AustralianFan 27]

8 hours ago, Monzanator said:

 

Money always talks and Qatar doesn't have to host the SOG in November or December. Besides IOC rules can always change - and Qatar will keep bidding for those SOG. You can't host them in USA, Australia or Western Europe all the time to deny Qatar their wish. IOC has buckled down to Chinese money already, they will do so to Qatar as well. It's only a matter of time.

Why do you think that Doha 2032 never progressed past the Dialogue stage? 
 

It is a safety issue for the athletes.  It is a bloody oven in Doha,  and the IOC will not countenance athletes, officials and spectators dropping like flies with heat stress.

 

You cannot hold the many outdoor Olympic events like the Marathon, Triathlon, Road Cycling, etc in a Doha in an air conditioned stadium.   

 

The IOC won’t allow it even if the July/August rules were changed.

 

The IOC’s New Norm reforms has generated a huge wave in interest for hosting in 2036 following Brisbane’s recent election.

 

As a result, the IOC are now triumphant with these 118 New Norm reforms introduced in 2018.

 

To be clear, the list below is of media reports of early interest in 2036 hosting.

 

I’m not talking if there is, or not has been or not, any dialogue with the IOC, nor am I talking about the actual chances of each of getting the Games

 

…..these are purely media reports of interest shown by these in possibly hosting in 2036.

As we know, early interest is just that … and often nothing more.

 

But it is a bloody long list.

 

2036 Interested Parties	Media Reports
Ahmedabad	14 Jul-21: Olympic Bid: Two agencies in fray to create roadmap for Ahmedabad – Times of India 2036 Olympics in Ahmedabad - 24Aug21 - Times of India
Berlin, Tel Aviv	16 Apr-21: German officials expresses support for a Tel Aviv-Berlin Olympics in 2036
Budapest	3 Sep-21: “Budapest 2032 Committee" officially renamed as Hungarian capital continues pursuit to host Olympic Games
Nanjing, Shanghai, Guangzhou, Shenzhen, Dalian, Xi'an, Chengdu, Jinan, Xiamen, Zhengzhou, Wuhan, Suzhou	12 bidding cities for the 2036 Olympic Games - 2Oct21 - MINNEWS
Odessa	Odessa bid for 2036 Olympic Games possible, Ukrainian politician Kolesnikov moots - 30Sep21 - Inside The Games
Florence, Bologna, Tuscany, Emilia Romagna	21 Jul-21: Florence, Bologna, Tuscany and Emilia Romagna, Italy 2036 Olympics, Giani and Nardella: “Bringing the Summer Games to Italy shouldn’t remain a dream” - 25Jul21 - ConradAtkinson
Guadalajara	Guadalajara, Mexico City, Tijuana, Monterrey, Mexico Tijuana-San Diego Olympic Project resurfaces by 2036 - 12Jul21 - Around The Rings
Jakarta	23 Jul-21: Indonesia to bid for 2036 Olympics after 2032 failure After Tokyo 2020, Jakarta aims to secure ASEAN’s first Olympics - 12 Aug21 - Asean Economist
Rostov-On-Don, Vladivostok, Perm, Novosibirsk, Sochi, Ufa	At least six regions in Russia are interested in hosting 2036 Olympic Games - 27Sep2021 - Gamesbids.com
Istanbul	14 Jul-21: Istanbul Mayor launches bid for 2036 Olympic Games We are Assertive in bringing 2036 Games to Istanbul - 30Aug21 - Railly News
London, Birmingham, Liverpool, Manchester	4 May-21: Khan targets 2036 or 2040 Olympic and Paralympic bid if re-elected London Mayor Olympic hosting ground looms after Tokyo - 24Sep2021 - Bolly Inside
Madrid	Madrid Mayor denies Spanish capital has joined 2036 Olympic bid race, but door is open - 23 Sep21 - Gamesbids.com Madrid Enters 2036 Race, or Not? - 24Sep21 - SwimSwam
Montreal, Toronto	3 Feb-21: Montreal and Toronto, Canada’s new Olympic bet Olympic hosting ground looms after Tokyo - 24Sep2021 - Bolly Inside
Rhine Rhur	12 Jul-21: German Olympic Bid Embraces Flexibility
South Korea, North Korea	4 Sep-21: Koreas Push 2032 Olympics for IOC Consideration

 

Sorry, I got off topic.  Here is the discussion transfer link over to the 2036 thread.

 

 

 

[Monzanator 3,601]

9 hours ago, AustralianFan said:

Why do you think that Doha 2032 never progressed past the Dialogue stage? 
 

It is a safety issue for the athletes.  It is a bloody oven in Doha,  and the IOC will not countenance athletes, officials and spectators dropping like flies with heat stress.

 

You cannot hold the many outdoor Olympic events like the Marathon, Triathlon, Road Cycling, etc in a Doha in an air conditioned stadium.   

 

The IOC won’t allow it even if the July/August rules were changed.

 

The IOC’s New Norm reforms has generated a huge wave in interest for hosting in 2036 following Brisbane’s recent election.

 

As a result, the IOC are now triumphant with these 118 New Norm reforms introduced in 2018.

 

To be clear, the list below is of media reports of early interest in 2036 hosting.

 

I’m not talking if there is, or not has been or not, any dialogue with the IOC, nor am I talking about the actual chances of each of getting the Games

 

…..these are purely media reports of interest shown by these in possibly hosting in 2036.

As we know, early interest is just that … and often nothing more.

 

But it is a bloody long list.

 

2036 Interested Parties	Media Reports
Ahmedabad	14 Jul-21: Olympic Bid: Two agencies in fray to create roadmap for Ahmedabad – Times of India 2036 Olympics in Ahmedabad - 24Aug21 - Times of India
Berlin, Tel Aviv	16 Apr-21: German officials expresses support for a Tel Aviv-Berlin Olympics in 2036
Budapest	3 Sep-21: “Budapest 2032 Committee" officially renamed as Hungarian capital continues pursuit to host Olympic Games
Nanjing, Shanghai, Guangzhou, Shenzhen, Dalian, Xi'an, Chengdu, Jinan, Xiamen, Zhengzhou, Wuhan, Suzhou	12 bidding cities for the 2036 Olympic Games - 2Oct21 - MINNEWS
Odessa	Odessa bid for 2036 Olympic Games possible, Ukrainian politician Kolesnikov moots - 30Sep21 - Inside The Games
Florence, Bologna, Tuscany, Emilia Romagna	21 Jul-21: Florence, Bologna, Tuscany and Emilia Romagna, Italy 2036 Olympics, Giani and Nardella: “Bringing the Summer Games to Italy shouldn’t remain a dream” - 25Jul21 - ConradAtkinson
Guadalajara	Guadalajara, Mexico City, Tijuana, Monterrey, Mexico Tijuana-San Diego Olympic Project resurfaces by 2036 - 12Jul21 - Around The Rings
Jakarta	23 Jul-21: Indonesia to bid for 2036 Olympics after 2032 failure After Tokyo 2020, Jakarta aims to secure ASEAN’s first Olympics - 12 Aug21 - Asean Economist
Rostov-On-Don, Vladivostok, Perm, Novosibirsk, Sochi, Ufa	At least six regions in Russia are interested in hosting 2036 Olympic Games - 27Sep2021 - Gamesbids.com
Istanbul	14 Jul-21: Istanbul Mayor launches bid for 2036 Olympic Games We are Assertive in bringing 2036 Games to Istanbul - 30Aug21 - Railly News
London, Birmingham, Liverpool, Manchester	4 May-21: Khan targets 2036 or 2040 Olympic and Paralympic bid if re-elected London Mayor Olympic hosting ground looms after Tokyo - 24Sep2021 - Bolly Inside
Madrid	Madrid Mayor denies Spanish capital has joined 2036 Olympic bid race, but door is open - 23 Sep21 - Gamesbids.com Madrid Enters 2036 Race, or Not? - 24Sep21 - SwimSwam
Montreal, Toronto	3 Feb-21: Montreal and Toronto, Canada’s new Olympic bet Olympic hosting ground looms after Tokyo - 24Sep2021 - Bolly Inside
Rhine Rhur	12 Jul-21: German Olympic Bid Embraces Flexibility
South Korea, North Korea	4 Sep-21: Koreas Push 2032 Olympics for IOC Consideration

 

Sorry, I got off topic.  Here is the discussion transfer link over to the 2036 thread.

 

 

 

 

Nothing is set in stone let alone rules about not hosting the Games in November. Let's get real. Most of the wealthy Western Europe bids probably won't happen due to local population objections. Hosting SOG only loses money and most people prefer the money to be spend on them rather than a two week sporting event. Montreal paid off the 1976 debt for like 40 years? I don't see them hosting another Games anytime soon.

 

The Winter Games became so exclusive they had to give it to China who isn't exactly well known as a winter nation. If IOC stays true to their diversification & inclusive nonsense they will have to pick an Asian vernue sooner or later. This probably means a return to China or Qatar as the obvious Middle East candidate.

 

London will not get another SOG after only 24 years again, Budapest, Istanbul and Russia don't sit well with the liberal values of the Wester world, Germany already rejected the WOG bid for Munich/Ga-Pa due to local protests, I don't see them hosting SOG either. Indonesia is the biggest Muslim country in the world and a complete unknown when it comes to hosting global events of any kind (unlike Doha). They went ahead with the Games in Rio de Janeiro despite objections about humidity & corruption.

 

When there is so much money involved things can change fast. And nothing devalues faster than a word "game-changer". These rules you cite could become irrelevant anytime between today and Brisbane OG.

[AustralianFan 27]

14 hours ago, Monzanator said:

 

Nothing is set in stone let alone rules about not hosting the Games in November. Let's get real. Most of the wealthy Western Europe bids probably won't happen due to local population objections. Hosting SOG only loses money and most people prefer the money to be spend on them rather than a two week sporting event. Montreal paid off the 1976 debt for like 40 years? I don't see them hosting another Games anytime soon.

 

The Winter Games became so exclusive they had to give it to China who isn't exactly well known as a winter nation. If IOC stays true to their diversification & inclusive nonsense they will have to pick an Asian vernue sooner or later. This probably means a return to China or Qatar as the obvious Middle East candidate.

 

London will not get another SOG after only 24 years again, Budapest, Istanbul and Russia don't sit well with the liberal values of the Wester world, Germany already rejected the WOG bid for Munich/Ga-Pa due to local protests, I don't see them hosting SOG either. Indonesia is the biggest Muslim country in the world and a complete unknown when it comes to hosting global events of any kind (unlike Doha). They went ahead with the Games in Rio de Janeiro despite objections about humidity & corruption.

 

When there is so much money involved things can change fast. And nothing devalues faster than a word "game-changer". These rules you cite could become irrelevant anytime between today and Brisbane OG.

Doha, Qatar is not going to get an Olympic Games in that oven-like heat in July/August where it is often 40 degrees celcius at 2am.    The IOC and the International sporting federations will not allow it.

 

 NBC will also not allow an Olympic Games to be held outside the July/August timeslot.

 

 

 

 

[Monzanator 3,601]

5 hours ago, AustralianFan said:

Doha, Qatar is not going to get an Olympic Games in that oven-like heat in July/August where it is often 40 degrees celcius at 2am.    The IOC and the International sporting federations will not allow it.

 

 NBC will also not allow an Olympic Games to be held outside the July/August timeslot.

 

 

 

 

Well, if NBC is more important than IOC then all this discussion we have here is obviously pointless A Muslim country will never host SOG either IMO.

 

Sorry, I forgot NBC is the one making the final choice when it comes to hosting the Olympics. I rest my case in this thread.

[AustralianFan 27]

1 hour ago, Monzanator said:

Well, if NBC is more important than IOC then all this discussion we have here is obviously pointless A Muslim country will never host SOG either IMO.

 

Sorry, I forgot NBC is the one making the final choice when it comes to hosting the Olympics. I rest my case in this thread.

Yes, NBC long have had considerable influence over the Games and events timings because of the million of $$ they pay for broadcast rights. That is public knowledge and has been that way for many years.  

 

In the recent Tokyo Games for instance, it was NBC who influenced the IOC and FINA to hold the swimming finals in the mornings so that it was prime time back in the States.    

 

The International Sporting Federations also are consulted and have considerable influence with the scheduling of Games Dates, and event timings.

[Monzanator 3,601]

Please, the same happened in Beijing. I know fully well big TV sports in USA get the favorable time slot in US TV. Same happened with figure skating in Pyeongchang and will probably happen in Beijing in few months time. At the end of the day this is all about entertainment and hardly about sport anymore so talking about this bidding process is quite frankly a waste of time. Besides, with Brisbane IOC actually stopped even pretending a bidding process matters and awarded it right away. This is life. These bidding contests will soon be totally over. Obviously Gulf sheiks will still have money and will keep throwing that at whatever event they can host so maybe even IOC caves in when suddenly there will be no bidders outside of USA, China and Australia and there will actually be some uproar why the same three countries host the OG over and over again. I still remember when Sydney OG was held in September. Obviously Brisbane had to cave in to NBC demands too since that will be held in July/August. No chance NBC approves any Games being held in September with the NFL season starting there.

[AustralianFan 27]

3 hours ago, Monzanator said:

Please, the same happened in Beijing. I know fully well big TV sports in USA get the favorable time slot in US TV. Same happened with figure skating in Pyeongchang and will probably happen in Beijing in few months time. At the end of the day this is all about entertainment and hardly about sport anymore so talking about this bidding process is quite frankly a waste of time. Besides, with Brisbane IOC actually stopped even pretending a bidding process matters and awarded it right away. This is life. These bidding contests will soon be totally over. Obviously Gulf sheiks will still have money and will keep throwing that at whatever event they can host so maybe even IOC caves in when suddenly there will be no bidders outside of USA, China and Australia and there will actually be some uproar why the same three countries host the OG over and over again. I still remember when Sydney OG was held in September. Obviously Brisbane had to cave in to NBC demands too since that will be held in July/August. No chance NBC approves any Games being held in September with the NFL season starting there.

No, Brisbane’s sub-tropical weather is fine in July and August and has much the same “winter”  as many northern hemisphere Summers.

 

There was no caving in regarding  Brisbane’s 2032 Games Hosting dates - never.  They have always proposed and wanted the Games to be held in July August as the State of Queensland’s weather in July and August is gorgeous - perfect for athletes.   Whereas Sydney and Melbourne are cold and wet much further south.

 

Sydney 2000 was given special two-week dispensation to open their Games on 15 September.

But it was after those Games, NBC put their foot down.

 

The previous traditional bidding contests with a dramatic host announcment ended with the 2019 election of Milano-Cortina for 2026 pitted against Are-Stockholm under the old broken bidding rules which are gone, gone, gone, thank goodness.

 

It’s not bidding anymore.   It’s one to one dialogue with the IOC Future Host Commission.

 

The first election under the New Norm  massive changes made to whole process occurred on 21 July 2021 with Brisbane’s election has 2032 host.

 

Under the new system, a bunch of interested parties can be in the Continuous Dialogue phase,

but only one will be elevated to the Targeted Dialogue phase for possible election.

 

That’s the way it works now and it’s generated massive early interest from all round the globe in hosting in 2036.  118 reforms to the old broken bidding system.  We’ll see how 2030, 2034 and 2036 pans out and who bet’s elevated for Targeted Dialogue.  Whoever does will likely be put up for a vote as Host for those Games

 

The IOC’s New Norm  << click on the link

 

 

[Monzanator 3,601]

It's a fine PR talk but everyone knows Olympics are there to make money in the end. The "new" norm will become "old" one way or another. And Qatar & China will still be there to host all the events they can because they don't care about losing money - unlike the Western countries. It doesn't take much to have another 2008 economical collapse before people start bailing out over the lost money and view hosting process as expendable. The biggest economy in Europe hasn't hosted Olympic Games in 49 years & counting and they want nothing to do with it

[AustralianFan 27]

5 minutes ago, Monzanator said:

It's a fine PR talk but everyone knows Olympics are there to make money in the end. The "new" norm will become "old" one way or another. And Qatar & China will still be there to host all the events they can because they don't care about losing money - unlike the Western countries. It doesn't take much to have another 2008 economical collapse before people start bailing out over the lost money and view hosting process as expendable. The biggest economy in Europe hasn't hosted Olympic Games in 49 years & counting and they want nothing to do with it

‘Change’ can be hard to accept.

 

But at last count, like it or not, there well over 30 locations around the globe who have expressed early interest in Hosting in 2036.

 

It’s why Thomas Bach said this recently:

 

The Olympics have plenty of suitors, IOC president says - 23Aug21 - Live Mint 

[Monzanator 3,601]

Thomas Bach is a butt of jokes for a long while already - on this board as well. I wouldn't pay much attention to all this scripted PR talk whatsoever.