Fencing at the European Games 2023

[Vektor 3,326]

5 out of the 6 Hungarian teams in the Top4 at the Euros. It could always be better, but I can't complain, we didn't mess up our qualification chances here in a major way. Now let's collect some medals today. 

Edited June 30, 2023 by Vektor

[Vektor 3,326]

 struggles against , but wins in the end.  upsets  in women's sabre. 

 

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[phelps 7,670]

19 hours ago, Vektor said:

@phelps How do you feel about men's epee tomorrow? I wasn't paying that much attention during the World Cup, so I am not sure what happened with  and  at the last two events. I am guessing we will be back to normal, with hopefully Hungary also performing as expected now that Siklósi doesn't have injury problems. 

 

 got an apparently dangerous  to deal with +  can also cause issues

 

 has to defeat , who have seen better days in men's epee

 

 will face off against  once again, they beat us at the previous World Cup event, we have to win this time

 

 will have to prove against  that they are among the favorites for the quotas

 

well, I think in Istanbul we missed Santarelli a lot.

 

he's the main horse in our team.

 

meanwhile Vismara and Di Veroli are still young and sometimes they can pull out a miracle, but they can also have a very bad day (which was the case in the first WC stage of the OQT).

 

and also their style of always playing at a slow pace (therefore making close every match, also those with opponents that on paper should not be a problem) is not helping.

 

however, if there's a team at risk of missing the qualification, that's the men's epee. 

 

even a 3rd place today won't be a good result, tbh.

Edited June 30, 2023 by phelps

[phelps 7,670]

and it looks that we're not making the final... are just better than us 

[phelps 7,670]

disaster completed 

 

 win easily and advance through the GMM.

 

and if  keep  at bay and make the final, it goes from worse to worst.

[phelps 7,670]

finally,  beat  and won the Bronze medal in the men's Epee, which means that we won a medal in each and every team event (2x Gold, 3x Bronze and 1 more gold or a silver later in the women's sabre).

 

this is definitely a great result just before the Home World Champs, but there's also a dark side: the OQR of at least a couple of weapons, where we are provisionally out of the Games 

[phelps 7,670]

men's Epee OQR after 1 World cup stage and the Continental Champs (with the GMM of the EGs still to be contested)

 

1 116
2/5 96/84
2/3 94
3/4 88
4/7 87/75
5/6 84
6/7 80
8 72
9 65
10 64
10 64
12 62
13 60
13 60
15 59
16 52
17 50
18 48
19 44
20 45
21 40
22 34
23 33
...
XX  8

 

 are still well in command, but behind them it's quite a mess, with 6 more teams in the space of 16 points or less (position depends on the EGs GMM) and the big guns  and  still in 9th and 10th place respectively with 20+ points disadvantage from the top 4 of the OQR.

 

to be noticed, also the  down the rankings with only 8 points overall after the black card they got at the Panamerican Champs and the poor outing in Istanbul.

Edited June 30, 2023 by phelps

[Vektor 3,326]

Well done girls, we needed this bronze a lot in women's sabre because who the fuck knows what comes next at the Worlds. This is probably the best outcome we could have hoped for now that Márton is injured again and Pusztai isn't having a good season. 

[Federer91 2,793]

Can someone explain the rules of fencing to me again.  I saw a dozen times in our match against Hungary, fencer A' light blinking first, but then fencer B got the point? 

[Vektor 3,326]

Just now, Federer91 said:

Can someone explain the rules of fencing to me again.  I saw a dozen times in our match against Hungary, fencer A' light blinking first, but then fencer B got the point? 

It doesn't matter which light comes first. If both light come up, the attacker gets the points. Who's the attacker? Welp, that's the real question most of the time in sabre because it happens really fast. It's easier to tell when it's a parry-riposte, but even that can be hard to see at times. At times it depends on who initiated the attacked one tiny moment earlier and even the refs need slomo video to decide that.