Boxing at the Pan American Games 2023

[Josh 13,620]

1 hour ago, Olympian1010 said:

 loses their first match by RSC in Round 1 

Less surprising when you realize it’s a women’s boxer 

[Ogreman 379]

Men's predictions part 2.

M51kg

Gold- Roscoe Hill , Silver- Ramon Nicanor Quiroga , Bronze- Oscar Castaneda , Jabali Breedy .

Other Olympic calibre boxers- Yuberjen Martinez , Luis Delgado .

  

The top bracket of this draw is very let's say open. Justin Parina  fights Central American silver medallist Junior Alcantara  and the winner will face the unproven Oscar Castaneda. I'll take the unproven boxer against this calibre of opposition. The second bracket is pretty loaded though, 2021 world silver medallist Roscoe Hill meets Alejandro Claro Fiz  in the last 16. Claro Fiz doesn't have a whole lot going for him other than that he is Cuban and won their selection trials though. The winner will meet Central American champion and Rio silver medallist Yuberjen Martinez. Assuming we get Hill vs Martinez I am not sure which way this one will go although whoever wins will very likely go on to win gold here.

The third bracket is fascinatingly even, Michael Trindade  likely meets the winner of 2023 panam champ Keymberth Gonzalez  vs Jabali Breedy. Breedy is the most established but I honestly don't know. South American champion Luis Delgado got about as good a draw as he could have hoped for with a quarter final against the established Ramon Nicanor Quiroga and one of the above boxers in the semis standing between him and an Olympic spot. I'm going to pick the strandja silver medallist Quiroga though because his 2023 form is better.

M71kg

Gold- Marco Verde , Silver- Wanderson de Oliveira , Bronze- Jhonathan Arboleda , Christiann Palacio .

Other Olympic calibre boxers- Omari Jones .

 

This draw is a bit lopsided as well. At the top Jhonathan Arboleda  should medal having to come through only Jhonny Fernandez  and Eduardo Beckford  who he beat in the semi finals of the Central American champs earlier this year. The secodn bracket here is stacked with 2022 panam champ and 2023 Central American champion Marco Verde taking on world quarter finallist Jorge Cuellar  and 2021 world silver medallist Omari Jones  taking on promisng youngster Angel Llanos . Verde beat Jones last year and we may well see them matchup again here. Christiann Palacio is very likely to make the semis here having gotten a very straightforward draw up until that point. World bronze medallist Wanderson de Oliveira's toughest fight before the final may well be his first one against 2022 panam silver medallist Jose Rodriguez .

M80kg

Gold- Arlen Lopez , Silver- Wanderley Pereira , Bronze- Keven Beasejour , Cedrick Belony-Duliepre .

Other Olympic calibre boxers- Robby Gonzalez , Christian Pinales .

 

There could have been a really interesting question here of weighing two time Olympic champion Arlen Lopez' recent patchy form against his experience and nous for showing up when it really counts but the draw he got was very straightforward so the risk of him not qualifying is quite low. His quarter final against Central American silver medallist Jhojan Caicedo  should at least be somewhat interesting. The draw has opened up for  2023 panam champ Keven Beasejour to win a medal here with only a couple of experienced pros in Julio Alamos  and Abraham Buonnarigo  or Desmond Amsterdam  in his way. 

On the other side of the draw 2021 world champion Robby Gonzalez got about as tough a draw as posible here meeting Central American champ (including beating Arlen Lopez) Christian Pinales before a prospective quarter final against world middleweight silver medallist Wanderley Pereira in a quarter final. The final bracket of this draw has absolutely nobody. I have no idea who of Eliezer Brito , Charles Cox , Cedrick Belony-Duliepre  and Jaden Ecclestone  will medal but one of them has to. Cedrick Belony-Duliepre appears to be Canadian or at least based there so I guess I'll pick him. Very little chance any of them even last the full three rounds in the semis though. Despite having the 2021 world and Olympic champions, this really isn't a very strong field.

M92kg

Gold- Julio Cesar La Cruz ,Silver- Keno Machado , Bronze- Julio Castillo , Bryan Colwell .

Other Olympic calibre boxers- Jamar Talley .

 

Julio Cesar La Cruz is not the dominant force he was for so long and he does have a couple of losses this year but he does start as the favourite here. He has got a tough draw meeting 2022 panam champ Jamar Talley in the last 16. The young American is talented but is unlikely to trouble La Cruz. After a quarter final against Andrews Salgado , La Cruz will then likely matchup against only man who can match his experience in Julio Castillo. Although, Castillo does have to beat 2023 panam champ Rogelio Romero  first. A potential Castillo vs La Cruz fight would be a battle where the winner would make it to their fourth Olympics. Then again La Cruz has 2 gold medals from those appearances and Castillo hasn't even won a fight. Both should ultimately make it though. Brazil got some good draws especially in the heavier weights and this one is no exception with only a quarter final against either Central American silver medallist Marlon Hurtado  or bronze medallist from the same event Daniel Guzman both of which Keno Machado has beaten before realistically standing in his way. Canada didn't get any great draws from an Olympic perspective but do have the opportunity to pick up a couple of cheap medals with a likely quarter final between Bryan Colwell and Emmanuel Pompey  deciding the last medal here.

 

Edited October 20, 2023 by Ogreman

[Ogreman 379]

	Gold	Silver	Bronze	Total	Olympic Qs
Brazil	3	5	2	9	8
Cuba	3	1	0	4	4
Colombia	2	2	3	7	5
USA	2	1	5	8	4
Canada	1	1	3	5	2
Puerto Rico	1	0	2	4	1
Mexico	1	0	1	2	1
Dominican Republic	0	1	1	2	1
Argentina	0	1	0	1	1
Panama	0	1	0	1	1
Venezuela	0	0	4	4	1
Ecuador	0	0	3	3	1
Barbados	0	0	1	1	0
Haiti	0	0	1	1	0

 

This would be a tremendous result for Brazil. It's strange to not see Cuba at the top of the medal table but honestly this about as good a result as possible for them here. Flip side of things for the US where this would be a very poor result but they are much more likely to outperform this than underperform further. They did definetely get a bit unlucky draw wise certainly compared to Brazil and Colombia. Other than that 5 medals would be a very good outcome for Canada although only an average one from an Olympic qualifying perspective and Ecuador and Venezuela would probably both be left quite disappointed if it plays out like this. (Although Venezuela have already lost a projected medal at 57kg).

Edited October 22, 2023 by Ogreman
Miscaculation

[dodge 1,041]

The results system has the individual scores down here for this boxing bout but hasn’t indicated who won 😂

 

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[Olympian1010 8,316]

2 hours ago, dodge said:

The results system has the individual scores down here for this boxing bout but hasn’t indicated who won 😂

 

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Click over to the "reports" tab, it's more clear there. Also, if you view on the schedule page, the winner is shaded light blue.

Edited October 22, 2023 by Olympian1010

[dodge 1,041]

Sure, I found the result. I was just highlighting how poor the results system is. 

[Olympian1010 8,316]

1 hour ago, dodge said:

Sure, I found the result. I was just highlighting how poor the results system is. 

Yeah, Bornan seems to have lost a step this year. They need to improve data reliability and PDF formatting. This could be a great results system with some tweaks.

[phelps 8,761]

9 minutes ago, Olympian1010 said:

Yeah, Bornan seems to have lost a step this year. They need to improve data reliability and PDF formatting. This could be a great results system with some tweaks.

their Asian Games results website was more than OK to me...if only they didn't take it down just 2 days after the end of the Games 

[Olympian1010 8,316]

28 minutes ago, phelps said:

their Asian Games results website was more than OK to me...if only they didn't take it down just 2 days after the end of the Games 

That was a nice system, but there was a lot of weird stuff about it. 

[intoronto 6,940]

 just beat  in men's boxing