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  On 8/26/2023 at 8:28 AM, Rafa Maciel said:

But if the K2 boat is made up of athletes already qualified through the K4/K1 boats or is made up of 1 new athlete and 1 already qualified athlete, then they would be able to use all three quotas? 

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Yes, I think that's the idea because that's exactly our plan in men's kayak. 4 athlete quotas in K4, +1 athlete quota in K2 (Kopasz) and +1 athlete quota in K1 (Varga).  

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  On 8/26/2023 at 6:54 AM, prso1000 said:

A question to the specialists here: 

 

let’s assume a country wins a K4 and K1 quota here at the WCH. 
The same country wins a K2 quota at the continental qualifier. 

i guess they have to give back the K1 quota but how does the reallocation work? Does the quota go to the next eligible NOC at WCH? 

 

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Yeah, I think that's how it works. The federation has to choose which quota they reject because they can't have 7 athlete quotas, and they will obviously choose K1, not K2, so the K1 quota gets reallocated to the next best placed unqualified athlete. 

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We will have 4 finals tomorrow in Olympic events, here are the athletes in them who already won quotas:

 

Men's C1 1000m

 

none, this is the first men's canoe Olympic final here

 

Men's K1 1000m

 

none, as you would expect there isn't really an overlap between this event and the K4 500m

 

Women's K1 500m

 

:HUN Csipes

:NZL Carrington

:SRB Novakovic

 

So this means that the 6 other athletes in Final A already won the athlete quotas.

 

Women's C2 500m

 

:CUB Cirilo Duboys

:ESP Jacome

 

So it's already guaranteed that :CAN Jensen will win an athlete quota in C1 due to the inevitable double-up. If both Spain and Cuba finish inside the Top8, :UKR Luzan wins a C1 quota. If all of Spain, Cuba and Ukraine finish inside the Top8, :POL Borowska wins a C1 quota. 

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  On 8/25/2023 at 5:33 PM, Werloc said:

Someone with a PhD please explain this:

 

So, if by chance Lithuania qualifies in K2, we just lose the qualification spot by default, because Maldonis is already in our K4, and then if we want to send a K2 we'll have to requalify in continental championships with a different team member for the 2 available European spots?? 

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You can keep one athlete quota if your other athlete in the K2 boat wasn't in the K4 boat. So you would have 5 athlete quotas and you can compete for the 6th in K1.

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  1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10
MK1 59 7 :WHT :WHT :WHT :WHT :WHT :WHT :FRA      
            HQ      
MK2 12 :WHT :WHT :WHT :WHT :WHT :WHT        
                                       
MK4 40 :GER :HUN :UKR :AUS :DEN :LTU :ESP :SRB :CAN :CHN
Q Q Q Q Q Q Q Q Q Q Q Q Q Q Q Q Q Q Q Q Q Q Q Q Q Q Q Q Q Q Q Q Q Q Q Q Q Q Q Q
MC1 22 6 :WHT :WHT :WHT :WHT :WHT :FRA        
          HQ        
MC2 16 :WHT :WHT :WHT :WHT :WHT :WHT :WHT :WHT    
                                       
WK1 59 7 :WHT :WHT :WHT :WHT :WHT :WHT :FRA      
            HQ      
WK2 12 :WHT :WHT :WHT :WHT :WHT :WHT        
                                       
WK4 40 :NZL :POL :ESP :CHN :AUS :SRB :HUN :GER :NOR :CAN
Q Q Q Q Q Q Q Q Q Q Q Q Q Q Q Q Q Q Q Q Q Q Q Q Q Q Q Q Q Q Q Q Q Q Q Q Q Q Q Q
WC1 22 6 :CUB :ESP :CHN :USA :CHI :FRA        
Q Q Q Q Q HQ        
WC2 16 :WHT :WHT :WHT :WHT :WHT :WHT :WHT :WHT    
                                       

 

  Total MK MC WK WC
:CHN 9 4   4 1
:ESP 9 4   4 1
:AUS 8 4   4  
:CAN 8 4   4  
:GER 8 4   4  
:HUN 8 4   4  
:SRB 8 4   4  
:DEN 4 4      
:FRA 4 1 1 1 1
:LTU 4 4      
:NOR 4     4  
:NZL 4     4  
:POL 4     4  
:UKR 4 4      
:CHI 1       1
:CUB 1       1
:USA 1       1

 

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Olympic quotas

 

"Q" - athlete quota

"HQ" - host quota

"D" - doubling-up, reallocation

 

  1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10
MK1 59 7 :WHT :WHT :WHT :WHT :WHT :WHT :FRA      
            HQ      
MK2 12 :WHT :WHT :WHT :WHT :WHT :WHT        
                                       
MK4 40 :GER :HUN :UKR :AUS :DEN :LTU :ESP :SRB :CAN :WHT
Q Q Q Q Q Q Q Q Q Q Q Q Q Q Q Q Q Q Q Q Q Q Q Q Q Q Q Q Q Q Q Q Q Q Q Q        
MC1 22 6 :WHT :WHT :WHT :WHT :WHT :FRA        
          HQ        
MC2 16 :WHT :WHT :WHT :WHT :WHT :WHT :WHT :WHT    
                                       
WK1 59 7 :WHT :WHT :WHT :WHT :WHT :WHT :FRA      
            HQ      
WK2 12 :WHT :WHT :WHT :WHT :WHT :WHT        
                                       
WK4 40 :NZL :POL :ESP :CHN :AUS :SRB :HUN :GER :NOR :WHT
Q Q Q Q Q Q Q Q Q Q Q Q Q Q Q Q Q Q Q Q Q Q Q Q Q Q Q Q Q Q Q Q Q Q Q Q        
WC1 22 6 :CUB :ESP :CHN :USA :CHI :FRA        
Q Q Q Q Q HQ        
WC2 16 :WHT :WHT :WHT :WHT :WHT :WHT :WHT :WHT    
                                       

 

  Total MK MC WK WC
:ESP 9 4   4 1
:AUS 8 4   4  
:GER 8 4   4  
:HUN 8 4   4  
:SRB 8 4   4  
:CHN 5     4 1
:CAN 4 4      
:DEN 4 4      
:FRA 4 1 1 1 1
:LTU 4 4      
:NOR 4     4  
:NZL 4     4  
:POL 4     4  
:UKR 4 4      
:CHI 1       1
:CUB 1       1
:USA 1       1

 

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  On 8/25/2023 at 4:30 PM, LDOG said:

Can't Kopasz and Varga just fuck off to K2? That way they can both have a gold medal. :lol:

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Kopasz works better with Nádas, they won everything last year. I can see Varga competing with someone else in a K2 boat, if he finds the right pair we can potentially win two medals in men's K2 in Paris. 

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Terrible, just an absolutely terrible start  from our girls, they had no chance whatsoever to win a medal after that. They really need to get their shit together for Paris because this is unacceptable. 

 

:NZL beats :POL, there goes the Polish dominance out of the window in women's K4. Carrington is coming for all the gold medals in the Olympic events. 

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Olympic quotas

 

"Q" - athlete quota

"HQ" - host quota

"D" - doubling-up, reallocation

 

  1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10
MK1 59 7 :WHT :WHT :WHT :WHT :WHT :WHT :FRA      
            HQ      
MK2 12 :WHT :WHT :WHT :WHT :WHT :WHT        
                                       
MK4 40 :WHT :WHT :WHT :WHT :WHT :WHT :WHT :AUS :CAN :WHT
                                                        Q Q Q Q Q Q Q Q        
MC1 22 6 :WHT :WHT :WHT :WHT :WHT :FRA        
          HQ        
MC2 16 :WHT :WHT :WHT :WHT :WHT :WHT :WHT :WHT    
                                       
WK1 59 7 :WHT :WHT :WHT :WHT :WHT :WHT :FRA      
            HQ      
WK2 12 :WHT :WHT :WHT :WHT :WHT :WHT        
                                       
WK4 40 :ESP :POL :CHN :NZL :AUS :SRB :GER :HUN :NOR :WHT
Q Q Q Q Q Q Q Q Q Q Q Q Q Q Q Q Q Q Q Q Q Q Q Q Q Q Q Q Q Q Q Q Q Q Q Q        
WC1 22 6 :CUB :ESP :CHN :USA :CHI :FRA        
Q Q Q Q Q HQ        
WC2 16 :WHT :WHT :WHT :WHT :WHT :WHT :WHT :WHT    
                                       

 

  Total MK MC WK WC
:AUS 8 4   4  
:CHN 5     4 1
:ESP 5     4 1
:CAN 4 4      
:FRA 4 1 1 1 1
:GER 4     4  
:HUN 4     4  
:NOR 4     4  
:NZL 4     4  
:POL 4     4  
:SRB 4     4  
:CHI 1       1
:CUB 1       1
:USA 1       1

 

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  On 8/25/2023 at 1:50 PM, prso1000 said:

To understand this qualification system you need a PhD in Statistics or similar :d

 

Anyway if my understanding is correct the quotas for K1 W are clear now as well. 

 

All the finalists excluding Serbia, Hungary and NZL (as same athlete already won a quota) will get a quote for sure. 

That means GER, CAN, POR, AUS, DEN and SWE have their quota save. 

 

But GER and AUS could lose the k1 quota if they qualify in K2 

And CAN could lose it if they qualify in both K4 (still open, but likely) and K2. 

 

If all three happens, then 3rd place in b final would get a quota as well?

Is this correct? OMG my brain is dead 

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Yeah, you are right. I didn't go down that rabbit hole, but yeah, some nations already secured more quotas in K1. It's better to just wait for the results instead of calculating the potential outcomes. 

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  On 8/25/2023 at 12:56 PM, EselTheDonkey said:

Everybody who qualified in K4 can use athletes from the K4 to take part in K2/K1, even one doesn't get a quota place in the smaller boats, is that correct? I mean, it's impossile to get a quota in all three Kajak Events anyway, because only 6 starters per gender are allowed.

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Yes. In fact, you can have two boats in K1 and K2, just like in Tokyo. 

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Anyway, I didn't expect that I will be more nervous during our women's semi than our men's.... I don't like what I am seeing in women's kayak, even with the return of two Olympic champions, Csipes and Hadvina, our K4 boat is still too weak to fight for a medal, let alone for the gold. I can accept that we won't dominate WK4 forever, but something most be wrong here because we shouldn't be this weak with Csipes and Hadvina on board. Do we seriously need Kozák to save us after her second pregnancy? Not a good look for the next generation in women's kayak in Hungary....

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  On 8/25/2023 at 12:48 PM, Benolympique said:

yes I know for the K4, but we have a chance of qualifying the K2 W and M and the C2 M.. because frankly our level is disastrous

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Technically you do have chances to qualify in C1/C2/K1/K2. In reality, we will see what happens when you will focus on K2 to salvage your quota chances. 

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Olympic quotas

 

"Q" - athlete quota

"HQ" - host quota

"D" - doubling-up, reallocation

 

  1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10
MK1 59 7 :WHT :WHT :WHT :WHT :WHT :WHT :FRA      
            HQ      
MK2 12 :WHT :WHT :WHT :WHT :WHT :WHT        
                                       
MK4 40 :WHT :WHT :WHT :WHT :WHT :WHT :WHT :AUS :CAN :WHT
                                                        Q Q Q Q Q Q Q Q        
MC1 22 6 :WHT :WHT :WHT :WHT :WHT :FRA        
          HQ        
MC2 16 :WHT :WHT :WHT :WHT :WHT :WHT :WHT :WHT    
                                       
WK1 59 7 :WHT :WHT :WHT :WHT :WHT :WHT :FRA      
            HQ      
WK2 12 :WHT :WHT :WHT :WHT :WHT :WHT        
                                       
WK4 40 :ESP :POL :CHN :NZL :AUS :SRB :GER :HUN :NOR :WHT
Q Q Q Q Q Q Q Q Q Q Q Q Q Q Q Q Q Q Q Q Q Q Q Q Q Q Q Q Q Q Q Q Q Q Q Q        
WC1 22 6 :WHT :WHT :WHT :WHT :WHT :FRA        
          HQ        
WC2 16 :WHT :WHT :WHT :WHT :WHT :WHT :WHT :WHT    
                                       

 

  Total MK MC WK WC
:AUS 8 4   4  
:CAN 4 4      
:CHN 4     4  
:ESP 4     4  
:FRA 4 1 1 1 1
:GER 4     4  
:HUN 4     4  
:NOR 4     4  
:NZL 4     4  
:POL 4     4  
:SRB 4     4  

 

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So, here's where we stand in men's K4.

 

:SRB  :POL  :UKR  :LTU  :DEN  :GER  :HUN  :ESP  will fight for 7 spots, 1 boat will miss Paris.

 

:AUS already qualified as the only non-European boat in the A final.

 

:KOR  v :CHN  will fight for the Asian quota in the B final.

 

:CAN qualified as the only American boat in the Top18. 

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:UKR  :LTU  :DEN  qualify to the men's K4 final.

 

There will likely be 2 continents in the final, which means that the last, 9th placed team in Final A will miss Paris.

 

This also means that :AUS already qualified for Paris. The other 8 European boats will have to fight for 7 places.

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