hckošice 13,285 Posted August 31, 2020 #161 Share Posted August 31, 2020 3 minutes ago, Monzanator said: Oh yeah, I forgot about these guys. Not gonna lie, I still remenber Banesto, Kelme and ONCE as the top teams so I'm kinda behind schedule with all the sponsor changes and which "new" team is actually an "old" team with a new sponsor. @hckosice seems to imply Cofidis had some name changes in the last decade? Lotto remained a fixture for over 20 years as well but they're gone now, right? Jumbo-Visma is more Rabobank or more Lotto? Man, I think Cofidis is here since the second half of the 90s after the end of Castorama and never changed the name since. Lotto is nowadays Soudal, Lotto NLis now Jumbo-Visma which is the former Rabobank they just changed the colors Monzanator 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monzanator 3,606 Posted August 31, 2020 #162 Share Posted August 31, 2020 2 minutes ago, Olympian1010 said: No, @hckosice was talking about a different French team. I can’t remember their current name, but they used to be Direct Energie. Lotto Soudal is still in the field. Astana hasn’t changed names in the last decade either I think. I feel like Movistar has been around for quite a while too. Astana is a completely new team, they were founded a little over 10 years ago. That's nothing in pro cycling terms. Isn't like Movistar the former Banesto - of Miguel Indurain and Pedro Delgado fame? You probably weren't born back then yet but I remember these guys or someone like Armand de las Cuevas who also was a Banesto rider IIRC. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monzanator 3,606 Posted August 31, 2020 #163 Share Posted August 31, 2020 3 minutes ago, hckosice said: Man, I think Cofidis is here since the second half of the 90s after the end of Castorama and never changed the name since. Lotto is nowadays Soudal, Lotto NLis now Jumbo-Visma which is the former Rabobank they just changed the colors Weren't like Cofidis out of the Grand Tours for a while? So they lost their top UCI license or whatever that's called and I thought they simply disbanded in the mean time Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hckošice 13,285 Posted August 31, 2020 #164 Share Posted August 31, 2020 Stage 3 Monday - August 31st, 2020 h. 12:10 (GMT +2) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Nice - Sisteron 198km - Hilly STAGE CLASSIFICATION Caleb EWAN 5:17:42 Sam BENNETT +0 Giacomo NIZZOLO +0 Complete Standing HERE ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- GENERAL CLASSIFICATION Julian ALAPHILIPPE 13:59:17 Adam YATES +4 Marc HIRSCHI +7 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- POINTS CLASSIFICATION Peter SAGAN 79 Alexander KRISTOFF 77 Sam BENNETT 74 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- CLIMBER CLASSIFICATION Benoit COSNEFROY 21 Michael GOGL 12 Toms SKUJINS 6 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- YOUTH CLASSIFICATION Marc HIRSCHI 13:59:24 Tadej POGACAR +10 Egan BERNAL +10 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- LAST KILOMETER REPLAY STAGE HIGHLIGHTS Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hckošice 13,285 Posted August 31, 2020 #165 Share Posted August 31, 2020 13 minutes ago, Monzanator said: Astana is a completely new team, they were founded a little over 10 years ago. That's nothing in pro cycling terms. Isn't like Movistar the former Banesto - of Miguel Indurain and Pedro Delgado fame? You probably weren't born back then yet but I remember these guys or someone like Armand de las Cuevas who also was a Banesto rider IIRC. Correct, Movistar is the former Indurain´s Banesto later well known as Caisse D´epargne. and Astana is the former certain Liberty Seguros dope mark Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OlympicsFan 783 Posted August 31, 2020 #166 Share Posted August 31, 2020 The talent level right now is pretty crazy in my opinion. It should be very exciting to see Bernal, Higuita, Pogacar, Sivakov and Evenepoel battle it out in the next couple of years. Attachment is the great fabricator of illusions; reality can be obtained only by someone who is detached. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hckošice 13,285 Posted August 31, 2020 #167 Share Posted August 31, 2020 15 minutes ago, Monzanator said: Weren't like Cofidis out of the Grand Tours for a while? So they lost their top UCI license or whatever that's called and I thought they simply disbanded in the mean time Yes, but since they were annually invited to the Tour de France, almost nobody noticed that. Monzanator 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Federer91 2,158 Posted August 31, 2020 #168 Share Posted August 31, 2020 21 minutes ago, Monzanator said: Weren't like Cofidis out of the Grand Tours for a while? So they lost their top UCI license or whatever that's called and I thought they simply disbanded in the mean time Cofidis was a Pro-Conti for a looooong time. Was given WC for the Tour almost every year though, but not many other races. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monzanator 3,606 Posted August 31, 2020 #169 Share Posted August 31, 2020 29 minutes ago, Federer91 said: Cofidis was a Pro-Conti for a looooong time. Was given WC for the Tour almost every year though, but not many other races. @hckosiceThese wild cards can be given to non-Elite teams though? I believe even CCC was given once a wild card to Giro d'Italia IIRC (that was pre-BMC merger when CCC was still a truly Polish team by the roots) but former Giro winner Tonkov was a member of the team which probably made the whole thing easier. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hckošice 13,285 Posted August 31, 2020 #170 Share Posted August 31, 2020 1 minute ago, Monzanator said: @hckosiceThese wild cards can be given to non-Elite teams though? I believe even CCC was given once a wild card to Giro d'Italia IIRC (that was pre-BMC merger when CCC was still a truly Polish team by the roots) but former Giro winner Tonkov was a member of the team which probably made the whole thing easier. Yep, it is possible, but highly unlikely. According the UCI rules they must invite only teams which managed to reach some basic required standards. I don´t know the exact rule and amount of points needed though but here you can see a special ranking counted from results of the last 3 seasons in battle for Grand Tour invitational battle Cofidis was fighting with Wanty Gobert and Direct Energie for the 2 automatic invitations quotas via this ranking. The organizers then have also the right to invite max 2 other teams, the only regulation is that at least 1 of them must be from the home country (they obviously selected both from France lol the Arkea Samsic and Vital Concept, on the next page of the ranking) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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