[OFF TOPIC] Politics Thread

[Monzanator 5,127]

38 minutes ago, Olympian1010 said:

We’re comparing political ideology, not population proportions. Plus, by your own reasoning, no one could ever compare communist Poland to the United States, so you disagree with the original argument anyways.

 

I don't compare Poland to USA. I say it makes no sense to compare New Zealand to USA like you do. I understand you're in love with PM Ardern but c'mon. She's below Mayor of New York level when it comes to responsibility. Btw, New Zealand is the biggest dairy exporter in the world. All it takes are some lactose-intolerant activists who want to derail the dairy global market and PM Ardern will lose her shit in 5 seconds with NZ economy going belly up overnight

 

Besides USA could have done a lot worse than Biden in Bernie Sanders. Because that's the real sociallist/communist who'd make USA bankrupt within a span of 10 years (especially with China running the global market train). USA is a country where capitallism is more important than democracy and you dodged a huge bullet. Not ideologically but econimically.

[NearPup 4,184]

36 minutes ago, Monzanator said:

Besides USA could have done a lot worse than Biden in Bernie Sanders. Because that's the real sociallist/communist who'd make USA bankrupt within a span of 10 years (especially with China running the global market train). USA is a country where capitallism is more important than democracy and you dodged a huge bullet. Not ideologically but econimically.

You clearly don’t understand how the American government works if you think that. A Sanders presidency, even if Dems held both houses of Congress by much larger margins than they do now, would not have moved the US to nearly that extend.

 

Even if Sanders got to be dictator for a few years he wouldn’t turn the US into a Communist country, but it also happens that the president is not an elected dictator, they face a lot of constraints.

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18 minutes ago, NearPup said:

You clearly don’t understand how the American government works if you think that. A Sanders presidency, even if Dems held both houses of Congress by much larger margins than they do now, would not have moved the US to nearly that extend.

 

Even if Sanders got to be dictator for a few years he wouldn’t turn the US into a Communist country, but it also happens that the president is not an elected dictator, they face a lot of constraints.

 

You seem to imply Dems would turn against Sanders just to have the establishment run the puppet show? Biden wants 1.9bn poured into the market. Fine. Sanders would probably triple that number. College debts paid off government money? That means raising the taxes most likely. I might not know how the US government works but I don't know any politician who wins elections by raising the taxes

 

Sanders as a sociallist would quickly draw ire from the Silicon Valley and Wall Street who have more internal power than the President himself.

 

You treat sociallism and communism as an ideology. It's not 1917 anymore. It's not how it should be treated. Just follow the money and leave ideology out of it.

[NearPup 4,184]

8 minutes ago, Monzanator said:

 

You seem to imply Dems would turn against Sanders just to have the establishment run the puppet show? Biden wants 1.9bn poured into the market. Fine. Sanders would probably triple that number. College debts paid off government money? That means raising the taxes most likely. I might not know how the US government works but I don't know any politician who wins elections by raising the taxes

 

Sanders as a sociallist would quickly draw ire from the Silicon Valley and Wall Street who have more internal power than the President himself.

 

You treat sociallism and communism as an ideology. It's not 1917 anymore. It's not how it should be treated. Just follow the money and leave ideology out of it.

There are a lot of centrist Democrats in the senate. And I’m not just talking about Manchin and Sinema. Sanders would not be able to get 50, let alone 60, votes for the more extreme aspects if his agenda.
 

Trump signed well over 2T in COVID-19 relief into law. Does that make him a Communist? Is Germany a communist country because they don’t have college tuition? Communism and Socialism isn’t just synonymous for any political position you don’t like.

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7 minutes ago, NearPup said:

There are a lot of centrist Democrats in the senate. And I’m not just talking about Manchin and Sinema. Sanders would not be able to get 50, let alone 60, votes for the more extreme aspects if his agenda.
 

Trump signed well over 2T in COVID-19 relief into law. Does that make him a Communist? Is Germany a communist country because they don’t have college tuition? Communism and Socialism isn’t just synonymous for any political position you don’t like.

 

Everyone from North America who loves sociallism always gives the "but it works in Scandinavia" excuse. USA is a capitallist country first and foremost. Yeah, Democrats would most likely turn against Sanders' ideas no matter what his army of voters would say (and Olympian1010 among them). That brings us back to square one, political establishment from both sides plus Wall Street runs the US politics, no matter whether GOP or Dems actually wins the elections. There is no place for ideology here.

[Olympian1010 8,305]

33 minutes ago, Monzanator said:

Sanders as a sociallist would quickly draw ire from the Silicon Valley and Wall Street who have more internal power than the President himself.

The same Silicon Valley that voted for him over Biden in the primaries?

[NearPup 4,184]

14 minutes ago, Monzanator said:

 

Everyone from North America who loves sociallism always gives the "but it works in Scandinavia" excuse. USA is a capitallist country first and foremost. Yeah, Democrats would most likely turn against Sanders' ideas no matter what his army of voters would say (and Olympian1010 among them). That brings us back to square one, political establishment from both sides plus Wall Street runs the US politics, no matter whether GOP or Dems actually wins the elections. There is no place for ideology here.

Scandinavia isn’t a good example of socialism working because none of the Scandinavian countries are socialist...

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24 minutes ago, NearPup said:

Scandinavia isn’t a good example of socialism working because none of the Scandinavian countries are socialist...

 

So, Social Democratic Workers' Party of Sweden has nothing to do with democratic sociallism?

[Monzanator 5,127]

34 minutes ago, Olympian1010 said:

The same Silicon Valley that voted for him over Biden in the primaries?

 

The very same! Sillicon Valley wants more money poured into their projects than in medical system for the poor and ethinic minorities IMO. Classic rich want to get richer issue.

[Grassmarket 4,305]

This is funny & revealing.  Whoever is controlling the Bidenbot speaks into his earpiece to tell him to “Salute the Marines” as they present arms to him.  Instead of saluting, he just says “Salute the Marines.”  

 

https://nationalfile.com/video-bidens-earpiece-says-salute-the-marines-so-he-says-salute-the-marines-out-loud-doesnt-salute-them/

 

Kamala Harris must be tearing the pages off her desk calendar.