Grassmarket 2,796 Posted January 21, 2021 #7761 Share Posted January 21, 2021 1 hour ago, NearPup said: Scandinavia isn’t a good example of socialism working because none of the Scandinavian countries are socialist... Yeah, but Americans don’t know that. It just sounds better to say “We want Swedish-style socialism” than it does to say the truth which is “We want Chinese-style Socialism.” Olympian1010 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Olympian1010 7,542 Posted January 21, 2021 #7762 Share Posted January 21, 2021 4 minutes ago, Grassmarket said: Yeah, but Americans don’t know that. It just sounds better to say “We want Swedish-style socialism” than it does to say the truth which is “We want Chinese-style Socialism.” Yeah, I don’t know many, if any, Americans who want that. “Sport has the power to change the world. It has the power to inspire. Sport can create hope where once there was only despair” - Nelson Mandela Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monzanator 3,612 Posted January 21, 2021 #7763 Share Posted January 21, 2021 Sweden is a country that hasn't had any mass protests for like 100 years, never takes part in any wars since Napoleon was fricking alive - it's like a totally opposite country to USA who has mass riots every 5 years and gets involved in every single God damn war since the isolationism policy ended with FD Roosevelt. Yet US liberals bring up Sweden as the golden utopia that should be followed No wonder US society is considered dumb by rest of the world. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Olympian1010 7,542 Posted January 21, 2021 #7764 Share Posted January 21, 2021 12 minutes ago, Monzanator said: Sweden is a country that hasn't had any mass protests for like 100 years, never takes part in any wars since Napoleon was fricking alive - it's like a totally opposite country to USA who has mass riots every 5 years and gets involved in every single God damn war since the isolationism policy ended with FD Roosevelt. Yet US liberals bring up Sweden as the golden utopia that should be followed No wonder US society is considered dumb by rest of the world. I guess we didn’t fight in WW1 then (Monroe Doctrine ended with Woodrow Wilson when he got us involved in World War 1, and established the League of Nations) “Sport has the power to change the world. It has the power to inspire. Sport can create hope where once there was only despair” - Nelson Mandela Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monzanator 3,612 Posted January 21, 2021 #7765 Share Posted January 21, 2021 Just now, Olympian1010 said: I guess we didn’t fight in WW1 then (Monroe Doctrine ended with Woodrow Wilson when he got us involved in World War 1, and established the League of Nations) Yeah, I know Monroe Doctrine was revoked by Wilson but after 1929 and Great Depression USA was getting isolationism vibes again. 93% Americans opposed entering WWII as late as May 1940. Those are facts. https://exhibitions.ushmm.org/americans-and-the-holocaust/main/us-public-opinion-about-entering-world-war-ii-1940 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Olympian1010 7,542 Posted January 21, 2021 #7766 Share Posted January 21, 2021 18 minutes ago, Monzanator said: Sweden is a country that hasn't had any mass protests for like 100 years, never takes part in any wars since Napoleon was fricking alive - it's like a totally opposite country to USA who has mass riots every 5 years and gets involved in every single God damn war since the isolationism policy ended with FD Roosevelt. Yet US liberals bring up Sweden as the golden utopia that should be followed No wonder US society is considered dumb by rest of the world. This argument is so confusing. “Sweden is great because they have social stability, and haven’t fought in many recent wars. As where the United States lacks social stability, and has fought in basically every modern war. Americans look up to Sweden as an example, and they’re dumb for that.” So, you’re arguing that Sweden isn’t the better or the two, and that the US shouldn’t attempt to learn from their example? “Sport has the power to change the world. It has the power to inspire. Sport can create hope where once there was only despair” - Nelson Mandela Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monzanator 3,612 Posted January 21, 2021 #7767 Share Posted January 21, 2021 2 minutes ago, Olympian1010 said: This argument is so confusing. “Sweden is great because they have social stability, and haven’t fought in many recent wars. As where the United States lacks social stability, and has fought in basically every modern war. Americans look up to Sweden as an example, and they’re dumb for that.” So, you’re arguing that Sweden isn’t the better or the two, and that the US shouldn’t attempt to learn from their example? USA is always the teacher on the global scale, they tell everyone else what to do. They never listen If you want to learn something then Vietnam War fiasco and Islamic Revolution in Iran should be more than enough to learn a thing or two already? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Olympian1010 7,542 Posted January 21, 2021 #7768 Share Posted January 21, 2021 Just now, Monzanator said: USA is always the teacher on the global scale, they tell everyone else what to do. They never listen That literally explains nothing about your original argument, and doesn’t answer my question about your argument! “Sport has the power to change the world. It has the power to inspire. Sport can create hope where once there was only despair” - Nelson Mandela Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monzanator 3,612 Posted January 21, 2021 #7769 Share Posted January 21, 2021 Just now, Olympian1010 said: That literally explains nothing about your original argument, and doesn’t answer my question about your argument! My argument is clear, Sweden isn't any example why USA should be a sociallist democracy to begin with for the reasons I stated above. Hence there is nothing to learn, period. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Olympian1010 7,542 Posted January 21, 2021 #7770 Share Posted January 21, 2021 13 minutes ago, Monzanator said: My argument is clear, Sweden isn't any example why USA should be a sociallist democracy to begin with for the reasons I stated above. Hence there is nothing to learn, period. Okay, so just so I can be clear what your argument is, you said: Sweden has social stability and hasn’t fought in many modern wars. The US lacks social stability and has fought in basically every modern war. Americans look up to Sweden as a model of a better society. Americans are dumb for doing so.” So your argument is: Sweden has better social stability and is more peaceful than the US, and Americans are dumb for wanting to follow their example, even though the US lacks social stability and struggles to stay out of conflicts. I don’t understand why Americans shouldn’t want our society to be more like Sweden’s then, if they have better social stability and stay out of more conflicts? It seems like Americans should want to be more like Sweden given those two points. “Sport has the power to change the world. It has the power to inspire. Sport can create hope where once there was only despair” - Nelson Mandela Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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