[OFF TOPIC] Politics Thread

[George_D 1,474]

1 hour ago, AlFHg said:

They say about themselves that they cannot be “tagged” into an ideology because they “follow the will of the people”. Originally, however, they were mostly based on left-wing and green ideas, as witnessed by the fact that they gave resonance to anti TAV/TAP movements (tav is the Lyon-Turin high speed train, tap is the trans-Adriatic pipeline which will convoy Azerbaijan methane in Europe avoiding Ukraine, with all the geopolitical consequences of that). Further, in their absolutely funny way of direct democracy, among the top 10 supported candidates as Republic President (Italy’s head of state), there was Romano Prodi, who is the historical leader of the Italian center/left-wing political alliances. 

In addition to what @phelps correctly said about them, it must be added that they (should) found on transparency and the will of morphing Italian politics in a direct democracy rather than a representative democracy. Their guru was famous for his very strange predictions about the use of internet and so on and from these predictions their political instancies come.

 

in practice, they have supported one of the most right-wing government in Italian history and, as far as concerns their flagship reformations, they acted with rush, as it seems to have become the rule in all Italian political class, sadly

 

direct democracy with actual sense is utopian however..

[George_D 1,474]

8 hours ago, phelps said:

 

the big problem is that they don't have one...they're just a bunch of opportunistic and stupid people, prone to trust the most improbable fake news...

 

if we just watch at their political actions so far, for sure we can say they're more rightist than leftist (with all the consequence of that orientation)...that's sure...

 

eurosceptist? that's about half of the Country...it's not a question of political parties, rather than social classes...only those who are not touched by the loss of economical power and resources to come to the end of the month with some dignity and something to eat everyday and a few youngsters who are still dreaming instead of living the daily struggles are pro-EU...those who have lost their job or have seen their salary heavily cut because of the European requests to cut the public debt surely can't be pro-EU...

 

their main feature is that they are "against"...they are against progress, they are against any sort of long term investment and against building any new infrastructure, they think all the other political forces are a bunch of corrupted liars and they are the clean side of the Country, but it's well proven that they are worse than any other political party, even Berlusconi's...

 

about macroeconomics, they seem to embrace the degrowth theory by Serge Latouche, but this is only marginally true, they just give their own (wrong even in this case) interpretation of that (which is already something out of this world, imho...and they can even make worse than that)...

 

imho, they are just a disaster...something that I wouldn't wish my worst enemy...where they have some local govern responsibility, everything is falling apart (Rome is the biggest example of that, with no more thrash cleaning from the streets, with public transports not working most of the time and a lot of those malfunctions that make life harder for the people who live in those places)...

 

hopefully, soon this awful experience will end...but who knows what awaits us? we thought that after 20 years of Berlusconi followed by the German slave Monti nothing could be worse, but we got the "5 Stelle"...

so, following the old proverb (when you've touched the ground, you can always start digging), I don't really know what to expect for the future...frankly, at the moment I don't see any new political force nor any new politician that could really be an inspiring figure to stand up and get back to the Country we once were...

 

so they are populists with no actual policy implementation program

[bestmen 2,909]

yesterday youtube was blocked here because of this video of this ancient General escaped in Spain , he is threating the current General by one " coup d'etat"

after being wanted for an international arrest warrant

 

many video have been removed ,this is rare one still alive

 

Edited August 9, 2019 by bestmen

[Monzanator 4,830]

Is this guy like 82 years old? There's a bigger chance he suffers a heart attack than leads any power coup.

[bestmen 2,909]

he committed much of massacre here + stole billions , of course Europe hosts people like that just because they are very  rich

[phelps 8,407]

10 hours ago, George_D said:

 

so they are populists with no actual policy implementation program

 

yes...

[bestmen 2,909]

today is the 26th Friday of protesting (this music )

 

Edited August 9, 2019 by bestmen

[Federer91 3,089]

On this day, 20 years ago, Vladimir Putin became the worlds most powerful and famous leader. Aren't you getting bored Vladimir? 

[Gianlu33 5,430]

Some rumors about italian governament crisis... The newpaper (and some politics seems confirm with their declaration) starts to speak about an "Ursula von der Leyen governament", so a coalition with some europeist party like PD (socialist), LEU (left-wing party), FI (liberal) and some minor group like SVP, +E, MAIE and some indipendent with the M5S.

I was a greater supporter of the M5S-PD governament since march 2018.. so, lst's hope

[hckošice 15,876]

The European prize for political culture was awarded to Zuzana Čaputová president  https://www.ringier.com/en/press-releases/corporate/hans-ringier-foundation-zuzana-caputova-awarded-european-prize-political