Henry_Leon 1,397 Posted January 17 #1 Share Posted January 17 (edited) Totallympics Annual International Song Contest 2024 Totallympics Forum - 17 January 2024 - 24 March 2024 Official Schedule Central European Time (UTC +1) Wednesday, January 17th 02:00 National Jury Registration and Entries Selection Window Open Tuesday, February 6th 13:00 National Jury Registration and National Entries Window Closed Tuesday, February 6th 14:00 Host Jury Voting Window Open Sunday, February 18th 23:59 Host Jury Voting Window Closed Monday, February 19th 00:01 National Jury Voting Window Open Monday, March 4th 12:00 National Jury Voting Window Closed 23:59 Festival of Music begins Saturday, March 9th 17:00 Voting Order Draw Friday, March 22nd 18:00 Opening Ceremony Saturday, March 23rd 10:30 Totallympics Annual International Song Contest 2024 Grand Final (here) Sunday, March 24th 15:00 Closing Ceremony Participating Nations 2024 Nations Jury Artist Song Video Voted Albania Erigert Alban Skenderaj Obsesion Argentina konig Emmanuel Horvilleur Yo soy la disco Brazil vinipereira Chady Futuro Caso Antigo Bulgaria Federer91 Grafa & The Mystery of the Bulgarian Voices Вековна Гора (Ancient Forest) Chile ManuCHIL Karla Grunewaldt La mujer que nadie defendió China Vic Liu Leah Dou Monday Croatia dcro Silente Sve što treba znat o ženi (Everything you should know about a woman) Czech Republic Hipooo janetykavka Seasonal depression Denmark Wumo eee gee School reunion France Bohemia Benolympique Jain The Fool Germany catgamer Purple Disco Machine, Kungs ft. Julian Perretta Substitution Great Britain Cinnamon Bun The Libertines Run Run Run Greece Makedonas maestro Παιδί Τραύμα Απόψε φυλάω τον εαυτό μου για σένα Guatemala FerGUA Gaby Moreno Solid Ground Hungary Vektor Azahriah Introvertált dal India Roamingrover86 Jasleen Royal ft Arijit Singh Heeriye Indonesia Griff88 Mahalini Sial (Bad Luck) Ireland OlympicIRL Picture This Get On My Love Italy Henry_Leon SteveParker Gianlu33 Pablita The Kolors Italodisco Kazakhstan Ruslan Kalifarniya Puerto-Rico Lithuania Werloc ELEY Rock My Body Malta Glenn Aidan Pupa Mexico mrv86 Riva Taylor & Los Rumberos Cubano Moldova Ionoutz24 Kapushon Tepoaia Netherlands heywoodu SERA Head Held High New Zealand Wanderer Stan Walker I am Poland rybak Gibbs Stan Portugal kungshamra71 Soraia Ramos Nha Terra Romania IoNuTzZ wrs Afterparty Serbia NikolaB Teya Dora Džanum Slovakia hckošice Kali Nič sa nemení (Nothing is changing) Slovenia justony Masayah Zavedno Spain Cobi La La Love You & Samuraï El principio de algo Sweden Belle Smash Into Pieces Trigger United States Olympian1010 dezbee2008 Billie Eilish What Was I Made For? Nations: 35 -- Total jury members: 40 Total Song: 35 Playlist TAISC 2024 Order of Vote Host Time GMT+1 Local Time First Quarter 1 10:45 10:45 Albania 2 10:55 10:55 Croatia 3 11:10 11:10 Germany 4 11:25 11:25 Serbia 5 11:35 07:35 Chile 6 11:45 17:45 Indonesia 7 12:00 12:00 Spain 8 12:10 12:10 Slovakia Second Quarter 9 13:20 17:50 India 10 13:30 14:30 Moldova 11 13:45 14:45 Bulgaria 12 13:55 20:55 China 13 14:05 14:05 Slovenia 14 14:15 14:15 Czech Republic 15 14:30 15:30 Greece 16 14:40 19:40 Kazakhstan 17 14:50 14:50 Hungary Half Time Third Quarter 18 16:50 9:50 Mexico 19 17:05 17:05 Poland 20 17:15 17:15 Netherlands 21 17:30 10:30 Guatemala 22 17:40 13:40 Argentina 23 17:55 16:55 Ireland 24 18:05 18:05 Sweden 25 18:20 10:20 (PDT) 13.20 (EDT) United States 26 18:35 18:35 France 27 18:50 18:50 Denmark Fourth Quarter 28 20:00 21:00 Romania 29 20:15 8:15 (Sunday) New Zealand 30 20:25 21:25 Lituania 31 20:40 20:40 Malta 32 20:55 16:55 Brazil 33 21:10 20:10 Great Britain 34 21:20 20:20 Portugal 35 21:30 21:30 Italy FINAL RANKING GRAND FINAL SCOREBOARD FINAL RANKING 1 Italy 162 19 Lithuania 64 2 New Zealand 161 20 Czech Republic 62 3 Sweden 154 21 Romania 59 4 France 129 22 China 58 5 Guatemala 124 23 Argentina 52 6 United States 117 24 Albania 52 7 Spain 117 25 Kazakhstan 46 8 Ireland 114 26 Mexico 45 9 Germany 112 27 Chile 44 10 Netherlands 105 28 Moldova 44 11 Serbia 100 29 Croatia 42 12 Denmark 93 30 Poland 42 13 Bulgaria 91 31 Malta 41 14 Indonesia 88 32 Greece 30 15 Portugal 87 33 India 29 16 Brazil 83 34 Slovenia 21 17 Hungary 79 35 Slovakia 14 18 Great Britain 69 TEAM CHALLENGE CONTEST Teams and rule Team Challenge Competition Rank Team Total Points Q1 Q2 Q3 Q4 Nations 1 Corty 466 118 94 155 99 2 Ciao 435 106 132 107 90 3 Neve & Gliz 399 110 105 84 100 4 Volly 381 97 91 115 78 5 Bumsi 377 45 133 123 76 6 Pinocchio 280 76 53 70 81 7 Diva 09 247 56 61 68 62 Festival of Music Country Artist Song LADANIVA Shakar (sugar) Molly Lewis Lounge Lizard Pommelien Thijs Erop Of Eronder Deep Zone Project x Aristos Constantinou Apocalipsis Maca & Gero Se Busca Karla Breu Te Quedas o Te Vas Widinson Los Brigante Mar Rendón Dayanara Peralta La Toquilla Ángel Cuídala Killer In My Head Solo Ruido El Karma Ingratitud Carlos Neda Perlas con Diamantes Ollie My friend Blind Channel Deadzone Kizuna No Kiseki Man with a mission Aya Nakamura Baby Nuno Ribeiro, Calema, Mariza Maria Joana Ive I'am Badmixy DILF La Deskarga Caramelo Los Mesoneros Más Tuyo Edited March 24 by Henry_Leon Gianlu33 and maestro 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Henry_Leon 1,397 Posted January 17 Author #2 Share Posted January 17 Charter and Official Rulebook SECTION 1 - SONG CHOICE AND ELIGIBILITY: 1. (a) All songs must be ORIGINAL, NEW MATERIAL, released on or after January 1st, 2023. Exceptions will be made in the following circumstances: (i) A song released as a single no more than 6 months before the cut-off date may ONLY be chosen if that song was subsequently released on an album for the first time during the official period of eligibility. For example, a song which was released as a single on July 1st, 2022 may be chosen if that song was later included in an album released on January 1st, 2023 or thereafter. (ii) A song which is a copy of an original song may ONLY be chosen if both artists of the original song and the copy version are from the same nation AND if the original song was also released within the period of eligibility (on or after January 1st, 2023). 1. (b) All songs must be ORIGINAL to the nation for which they are competing. In other words, if a song is a copy or cover of an original song by an artist from another nation, then it is ONLY permitted to participate for the nation of the artist who produced the original version. If the artist of the cover version is from the same nation as the original artist, then the cover version must fulfill rule 1(a) in order to be eligible to participate. 1. (c) Songs that competed at Eurovision shall be excluded from competing at TAISC. However, songs which competed in a national final but were not put forward to represent their nation at Eurovision may be selected to compete at TAISC. SECTION 2 - ARTIST CHOICE AND ELIGIBILITY: 2. (a) Artists chosen to represent a nation must have been born in or be of the same nationality as the nation for which they are participating OR they must have more or equal association with that nation. 2. (b) In the case of bands, at least 50% of the band must be born in or be of the same nationality as the nation for which they are participating OR they should have more or equal association with that nation. 2. (c) For the purposes of the Totallympics International Song Contest, the same concept of nationality as that used by the IOC (International Olympic Committee) will be adopted. So, for example, artists from Scotland must represent Great Britain, artists from Faroe Islands must represent Denmark, etc. SECTION 3 - NATIONAL JURY VOTING: 3. (a) National juries may consist of a single jury member OR a multi-member jury made up of two or more users from that nation. 3. (b) National juries must send their votes in SECRET (via private message) to the host organising member(s) of the song contest as requested during the designated voting window. 3. (c) National juries must submit their song entry on the official TISC thread for that edition within the designated song entry selection window as designated by the host organiser(s). National juries who fail to submit their song within the required time frame are at risk of disqualification from the contest. 3. (d) Each jury member in a multi-member jury shall send their individual preferences in SECRET (via private message) to the host organising member(s). The votes from each of the members of the multi-member jury will be combined to form a single set of votes which will represent the overall voting preference of that national jury. In this way, the votes from each of the participating national juries, whether single or multi-member juries, will hold equal value or weight. 3. (e) National juries will use the following voting format: (i) Jury members will award points to their 12 favourite songs in ascending manner from points 1 through 12 (inclusive) with the first preference receiving a maximum score of 12 points, second preference receiving 11 points, third preference receiving 10 points, and so forth until the song of 12th preference which will receive a single point. See below scoring table for reference: 1st Preference 12 pts 2nd Preference 11 pts 3rd Preference 10 pts 4th Preference 9 pts 5th Preference 8 pts 6th Preference 7 pts 7th Preference 6 pts 8th Preference 5 pts 9th Preference 4 pts 10th Preference 3 pts 11th Preference 2 pts 12th Preference 1 pt (ii) In single member juries, these scores will subsequently represent the National Jury Vote of that nation. However, in multi-member juries, the votes of all the jury members from that nation will be combined to form a single set of points. The song which has received the most number of points from that national jury will be deemed to be the overall first preference choice of that jury and will receive the maximum score of 12 points; the song which has received the second highest number of points from that national jury will be deemed to be the overall second preference choice of that jury and will receive a score of 11 points, and so forth until the song which has received the 12th highest number of points which will receive a single point from that national jury. (iii) In the case of multi-member juries with 4 jury members or more, that jury can choose between the standard voting format (12-11-10-9-8-7-6-5-4-3-2-1) or the following alternative points format (18-15-12-9-8-7-6-5-4-3-2-1). However, all jurors of that national jury must use the same format when submitting their votes. It is not permitted that some use the standard format and some others use the alternative format. As such, if a national jury wants to choose the alternative format over the standard format, that national jury must debate together in private message to come to a common consensus or majority vote on which to decide. The result of that discussion will then be posted on thread to inform all contestants and the organisers of their decision.All members of that jury will then submit their votes using the selected format. The host will then combine the votes of the jury members in the usual manner to form a single set of points as standard (12-11-10-9-8-7-6-5-4-3-2-1). (iv) National juries consisting of 2 members will be allowed the right to opt-in to an alternative voting process which guarantees that any song which received votes from both jury members will appear in the final top 12 combined list of that nation's final voting table. This will be achieved by removing the lowest ranked nation(s) in the combined top 12 which received points from just 1 jury member. The removed nation(s) will then become the highest ranking reserves. This opt-in method is available to national juries consisting of 2 members only. Any jury wishing to adopt this method shall inform the organisers of their decision to opt-in to the process by posting their intention to do so on the TISC thread prior to the opening of the voting window. The standard method of combining votes will still be the default method so if a 2-member national jury does not inform otherwise on thread, or if both jury members are in disagreement about which method to adopt, then the standard method will automatically be used to combine their votes. 3. (f) National juries must submit their votes by the official voting deadline as designated by the host organiser(s). National juries who fail to submit their votes within the required time frame will be disqualified from the contest. 3. (g) Any Nation which fails to participate in the voting process will be automatically disqualified from the contest. 3. (h) A random draw will take place in advance of the Grand Final to determine the order in which the National Juries will reveal their votes. This draw must be shown to be transparent and available to competing members should they wish to follow the result. The result of this draw must always be adhered to in order to preserve the random nature in which the voting will progress during the Grand Final. A National Jury may only request a "swap" in their designated voting position if, after the random draw, they have been assigned a voting slot outside of "reasonable hours". For the purpose of this contest, reasonable hours will be determined as anytime between 08:30-23:00 local time of that national jury. During the "swap" process, the host organiser will first look to make swaps between National Juries who are eligible for swaps after the random draw. SECTION 4 - NATIONAL JURY TIE-BREAK PROCEDURES: 4. (a) In the event of a tie in the combined votes of multi-member juries, the following set of rules outlines how the tie-break will be resolved: (i) The song which has received points from the greatest number of jury members will be deemed the winner of the tie. For example, take the following scenario.... Songs A, B, and C each received a combined score of 10 points after the results of each national jury member were combined and calculated. Song A received a single score of 10 points from one jury member, Song B received scores of 7 points and 3 points from two separate jury members and Song C received scores of 5 points, 3 points and 2 points from 3 separate jury members. All three songs received a total of 10 points, however, Song C is deemed to be the winner of the tie because a greater number of jury members voted for that song (3 members in this case). (ii) If the songs remain deadlocked after 4 (a) (i), the song which received the highest value score from an individual jury member will be deemed the winner of the tie. For example, take the following scenario.... Song A and Song B each received a combined score of 14 points after the results of each national jury member were combined and calculated. Song A received scores of 8+6 points while Song B received scores of 7+7 points. Song A will be deemed the winner of that tie since that song received a score of higher value (8 points) from one of the national jury members. (iii) If the songs remain deadlocked after 4 (a) (i) and (ii), jury members from that national jury who did not award any votes to any of the songs involved in the tie-break will be asked to break the tie. This tie-break rule can only ever be used to break ties in juries of 3 members or more and ONLY if there is a jury member who did not vote for any of the songs involved in the tie-break. (iv) After the procedures 4 (a) (i), (ii) and (iii) have been carried out, all outstanding ties within the votes of a national jury shall be resolved by carrying out a single random draw. The nature of this random draw shall be as follows: The names of each national jury member will be entered into a draw. Each name will be drawn. The first jury member drawn will be awarded the right to break the unresolved tie of highest value. The second jury member drawn will be awarded the right to break the unresolved tie of the second highest value. For example, take the following scenario.... there are two members of National Jury X. After the votes of User A and User B are combined and calculated the following situation arises: COUNTRY (Total points) -> Combined value Country A (24 points) -> 12 points Country B (21 points) -> 11 or 10 points Country C (21 points) -> 11 or 10 points Country D (18 points) -> 9 points Country E (16 points) -> 8 points Country F (13 points) -> 7 or 6 points Country G (13 points) -> 7 or 6 points Country H (10 points) -> 5 points Country I (7 points) -> 4 or 3 points County J (7 points) -> 4 or 3 points Country K (4 points) -> 2 points Country L (1 point) -> 1 or 0 points County M (1 point) -> 1 or 0 points Those highlighted in red text are those ties which could not be resolved by 4 (a) (i), (ii) or (iii). As a result of the random draw, User A was drawn first, meaning that user will be given the right to break the unresolved tie of the highest value (the tie between Country B and C for 11 or 10 points). User B was drawn second meaning that user will be given the right to break the unresolved tie of the second highest value (the tie between Country F and G for 7 or 6 points). The order will then be reversed so that User B will be given the right to break the unresolved tie of the third highest value (the tie between Country I and J for 4 or 3 points). User A will finally be given the right to break the unresolved tie of the fourth highest value (the tie between Country L and M for 1 or 0 points). This procedure to break the unresolved ties will be used for national juries of any number with the first user drawn being given the right to break the unresolved tie of the highest value, the second user drawn being given the right to break the unresolved tie of the second highest value, third user the third highest tie, etc. reversing the order if need be when the order has completed one cycle. However, it should be noted that unresolved tie-breaks which require random draws will occur mostly in two-member juries since national juries with 3 or more members will likely resolve all ties through 4 (a) (i), (ii) or (iii). SECTION 5 - OVERALL SCOREBOARD TIE-BREAK PROCEDURES: 5. (a) In the event of a tie in the overall scoreboard between two or more nations, the following set of rules outlines how the tie-break will be resolved: (i) The nation which has received points from the greatest number of National Juries will be deemed the winner of the tie. (ii) If there is still a tie after 5 (a) (i), the nation which has received the greatest number of 12 points will be deemed the winner of the tie. (iii) If there is still a tie after 5 (a) (i), (ii), the nation which has received the greatest number of 11 points will be deemed the winner of the tie. If the tie remains deadlocked, the process will continue by counting the number of 10 points each nation received, 9 points, 8 points, and so on until the tie-break can be resolved. 5. (b) If there is still a tie in the overall scoreboard between two or more nations after 5 (a) (i), (ii) and (iii) have been implemented, those nations shall be deemed to have tied for position in the overall scoreboard. SECTION 6 - TEAM CHALLENGE FORMAT AND RULES: 6. (a) Each edition of the Totallympics International Song Contest will feature a Team Challenge competition. The main purpose of this team element is to further enhance the community spirit that is an integral feature of TISC events and to provide another means of encouraging users to interact with one another. 6. (b) The TISC Team Challenge event may vary in format from one contest to the next. The nature of the format will be dependent on the number of participating nations. 6. (c) Nations will be assigned to their team by random draw. 6. (d) The ideal format is that there will be a minimum of 8 teams, each made up of 4 nations. However, if that is not possible, the teams will be formed from one of the following formats (listed in order of preference): (i) teams of 3 nations (ii) teams of 5 nations (iii) if it's not possible for each team to have the same number of nations, a special provision will be introduced (for example: power plays). 6. (e) It is recommended that the teams shall be named after various cities/regions of the host country and combined with a nickname. For example, a contest in Brazil might feature teams called the Brasilia Capitals and Manaus Amazons. SECTION 7 - ELIGIBILITY, CONDUCT AND RESPONSIBILITY OF PARTICIPANTS: 7. (a) Any first time participant must have been registered on the forum at least 2 months before they take part in the contest. The date used to calculate the 2 months rule will be 2 months prior to the National Selection deadline. A first time participant may be allowed special dispensation to participate in TISC, even if they do not fulfill the 2-month rule criteria. However, in such circumstances, that user must have shown a high level of activity in the forum in terms of posts and presence. This special dispensation will be awarded on the agreement of Totallympics admin, namely Sindo, who will conduct all necessary verification checks and will be given final approval by the TISC management team, namely OlympicIRL and the host of that TISC edition. These rules are not designed to exclude, only to ensure TISC retains a distinct character, built upon a unique community atmosphere created by users of the forum. 7. (b) Participating users shall be respectful of the song choice of all nations once they fulfill all of the necessary eligibility requirements. 7. (c) Participating users must not reveal or give any indication as to their preferences or voting choices at any stage before the official announcement of the votes during the Grand Final. 7. (d) Participating users must not discuss private voting procedures with other members so as to ensure fairness is always in play and to ensure any suspense during the Grand Final is kept intact. 7. (e) Participating users must be respectful when posting and discussing with other members on the Totallympics International Song Contest Thread. 7. (f) If foul play is detected with respect to 7 (a), (b), (c), (d) or (e) at any stage before, during or after the contest, the TISC organising committee reserves the right to place the participation or result of that nation under review. SECTION 8 - HOSTING DUTIES, RESPONSIBILITIES AND ORGANISATIONAL TIMEFRAME: 8. (a) The host organisation should adhere to the follow basic schedule upon organising the contest: There shall be 2 weeks allocated for registration and national selection until the deadline to submit an entry. There shall be 2 weeks allocated for voting (of which a maximum of 4 days will be allocated to the host jury to submit their votes to a designated neutral third party). There shall be a maximum of 2 weeks allocated after the voting window closes to allow the hosts time to organise the Grand Final. This 6 week time-frame was agreed upon during a public vote but in special circumstances, exceptions will be considered. 8. (b) The host organiser(s) must submit their votes in advance of receiving votes from other National Juries by private message. The votes of the host(s) should be sent by private message to a neutral third party after the national selection window has passed and before the national jury voting phase begins. 8. (c) The host organiser(s) must abide by the same rules that govern the participation of users in the Totallympics International Song Contest as outlined in Section 6. SECTION 9 - FUTURE HOSTING RIGHTS: 9. (a) Upon completion of the relevant song contest, the winning nation will automatically be awarded the rights to host the subsequent Totallympics International Song Contest 1 year later. 9. (b) If the winning nation wishes to decline the hosting duties, the runner-up of that edition will then be awarded the opportunity to accept or decline the hosting rights. If the runner-up also declines the hosting duties, the 3rd placed nation of that edition will have the opportunity to accept or decline the hosting rights. 9. (c) In the event that the hosting rights are declined by the top 3 ranked nations at the previous edition of the relevant TISC, an open bid process will be conducted in order to award the hosting rights. This process will be open to all candidates, first-time hosts as well as previous hosts. A random draw will take place with each candidate being awarded a number of tickets in the draw. The more tickets a candidate has entered, the better their chance of being selected as host. Here is the process for how the tickets will be distributed: Each candidate automatically awarded 1 ticket each in the draw. However, additional tickets awarded as follows - did not host in the previous 5 editions (+1 additional ticket) - did not host in the previous 10 editions (+1 additional ticket) - did not host previously (+2 additional tickets) - took part in the previous bidding process (+1 additional ticket). For first-time hosts, they will add an additional ticket for each edition they are unsuccessful for in bidding, thus increasing their chance slightly with each unsuccessful bid. This increase will only be available for first-time hosts. Additionally, if a first-time host missed 2 consecutive bidding campaigns, then their tickets no longer carry forward and they lose those additional tickets. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Henry_Leon 1,397 Posted January 17 Author #3 Share Posted January 17 (edited) Welcome in Italy Host city: MILANO A quick tour of the beauties of Milan City In this competition we will listen to many songs in many languages so let's start with a traditional song from Milan (dialect) The logo unveiled Gran Final venue: Forum (Assago-Milano) Giro d'Italia/Tour of Italy Spoiler Pisa Matera Alberobello Genova Italian Festival (Dialectical and traditional songs) Spoiler Sicilia Ciuri, Ciuri (Roy Paci & aretuska) Vitti 'na crozza (Roy Paci & aretuska) Veni l'autunnu - (Franco Battiato) Sardegna No potho reposare (Maria Carta & Andrea Parodi) Zirichiltaggia (Fabrizio de Andrè) Le Balentes - Cixiri Genova Creuza de ma (Fabrizio De André) Ma se ghe penso (Ricchi e Poveri) Napoli Pino Daniele - 'Na tazzulella 'e cafè Pino Daniele - Napule è Gigi D'Alessio - Torna a Surriento (ft. Bianca Atzei) Luciano Pavarotti - 'O sole mio Sergio Bruni - Funiculì Funiculà Mix Pizzica di San Vito Na gita a li Castelli (Nanni) - Lando Fiorini Grand Hotel - Davide Van De Sfroos Lassa pur ch'el mond el disa - G. D' Anzi Romagna Mia - Casadei ItaloDisco Spoiler Part one Half time show (part two) Dance Music (part three) Co-host city Winter Olympic 2026 Edited March 24 by Henry_Leon Benolympique, Wumo, SteveParker and 3 others 3 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Olympian1010 7,971 Posted January 17 #4 Share Posted January 17 Damn, it feels like we're starting this early this year will be entering once again, of course. I'm hoping @dezbee2008 and @owenp_23 (or others) will join me dezbee2008, Henry_Leon and owenp_23 3 “Sport has the power to change the world. It has the power to inspire. Sport can create hope where once there was only despair” - Nelson Mandela Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrv86 3,138 Posted January 17 #5 Share Posted January 17 is definitely in! Henry_Leon 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dezbee2008 819 Posted January 17 #6 Share Posted January 17 Back once again for Henry_Leon 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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heywoodu 15,135 Posted January 17 #8 Share Posted January 17 Well that's early is of course in. Henry_Leon 1 . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Belle 975 Posted January 17 #9 Share Posted January 17 Is in of course. Wohoooooo. 😊 Henry_Leon 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteveParker 50 Posted January 17 #10 Share Posted January 17 i' m in Henry_Leon 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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