[Pavlo 72]

54 minuty temu, Dimast napisał:

What is it "proven". Proved that Isinbayeva, gymnasts, wrestlers and others took dope?! No that's not true. They are clean, as well as other athletes from Russia and deserve to compete at the Olympics

Russia is a state, if this state abuses anti-doping on such scale this country as a whole can and should be punished.

 

So, if some country is expelled from weightlifting does it mean that all lifters took dope?! No! But the fed and in some way country is punished together with clean lifters. In this cas the whole country should be punished, yes - it will hurt some clean athletes

Edited July 19, 2016 by Pavlo

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2 godziny temu, tigersay napisał:

Oh, more Russian haters in the thread. To be honest - if WADA really wanted to clean sport in Russia,  they should do totally different things:

1) Tell EVERY story of these scary anonymous Russian dopers(today we have no new of them)

2)Totally ban RUSADA, make all anti-doping work about Russian athletes outside of Russia and in that time try to make new clean agency inside of it with British, American - anyone who knows what should be done(today we have nearly no kind of this work)

It's known that more names - less place for political rumours and discussions.

But now we have only words about total(of course) disqualification and some clouds above events with Russian medals.

No, i`m not a hater. Problem of Russia is that the guilt is "proven". In case of US not. I want to see Polish athletes in fair rivalry against Russians. If for now u can`t guarantee this, see you in Tokyo

[Pavlo 72]

7 minut temu, De_Gambassi napisał:

 

They could simply express their concern or something similar. I maintain it's not their duty to call for WADA/IOC action and specially not before WADA made the report public.

 

It's like the danish football federation would have called for the ban of italian football federation after the Calciopoli scandal for exemple. They are not entitled to do so. Simply as that.

u don`t have to have a legal allowance to say what u think. You`re wrong because you think it`s "formal". No, it`s unformal action by those countries but what is not forbidden is allowed, they can say that they want Russia out. Find me plz any regulation disallownig it. Regulation plz, art. par.... Sure that final decision isn`t their

Edited July 19, 2016 by Pavlo

[Pavlo 72]

well - if they are out our woman`s handball team would get qualified?

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4 godziny temu, De_Gambassi napisał:

 

For some athletes, the biggest prize in their sport is not an option, so the olympics became their by default-objective. A cyclist like Tom Dumoulin is not going to win a GT anytime soon (even, if we've seen worse in cycling ) , but he makes a great deal of winning the olympics.

 

Likewise, a young polish rugby players is never going to win the 15 a side rugby world cup (it'm crushing your dream here I know ), but he might have a shot at participating to the Olympics and that objective might become his main goal.

 

It doesn't make the olympics the more important event of the lot, but simply the biggest event one athlete could successfully win/particpate to.

how could you?? , oh maybe u have the same opinion about polish golf and cricket? . You know, benefits of winning Olympics are in many countries quite big. You can also become a "legend" while winning world champs doesn`t give you this status. I think it`s individual matter.

As to the main question, yes - winning rugby world cup gives probably more "pride" than winning gold in rugby 7s but for rugby 7s players olympic gold is their goal...

Edited June 20, 2016 by Pavlo

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as to cycling and tennis it depends, i think we will find athletes more eager on Olympics than Grand Slam or Le Tour. I think it`s too general to write like LDOG. As to boxing, hmm...olympic and pro are a bit different sports but sure, pro boxing is far more prestiguous.

 

I think golf and men`s football are the best examples in this case. Rugby 7s is also a bit different than other versions of this sport so i`m not sure if i can write that RUGBY has more important events than olympic 7s.

[Pavlo 72]

Kazakhstan number.....zero!!

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Russia - this is getting boring...., really

[Pavlo 72]

On 3.04.2016 at 0:08 AM, heywoodu said:

My point about this is that it's a) easier to believe and b) more logical that countries where "glory to the Motherland" (or some communist stuff) through sports is so incredibly important, are doping with state help.

 

For example here in the Netherlands we don't have this extreme "glory to the Motherland" feeling and I don't think there is state-run doping here. Obviously I think there is doping here, but I think it's more private or arranged by the teams itself instead of coming from the sports federations and authorities.

 

But my main point stays the same: it is a sign of huge weakness when people are saying "Stop it, it's a conspiracy from the big bad wolf against us!" instead of "We're gonna do all we can to clean up this shit". 

 

1. XX athletes from country X get caught

2. People in country X respond by saying "omg, conspiracy against us, we're the victims!!"

 

That doesn't make it any more believable. 

 

 

oh western europeans who live with 80s propaganda about former communist countries...

 

our or Ukrainian athletes have the same motivation as Dutch, i assure you, plz don`t go back to middle ages , and yes, i`m sure there is a doping in each country, Netherlands too. In Russia they have so much of it not to "die for mothercountry"  but to......qualify to national team (they have so many good athletes that they cheat, but in private interest not some former national pride, c`mon, come back to earth  )

Edited April 7, 2016 by Pavlo

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On 20.03.2016 at 10:57 AM, Griff88 said:

1952 Summer Olympics? Interesting

sure it is :), i`m always watching my whole collection from April before summer games

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I have the whole official IOC collection of Winter & Summer Olympics movies on dvds (from 1952, without Munich 1972), nice one. Plus i`m recording whole Olympic Games since 2000 (summer games), sure i`m making short versions after that. I`m recording Winter Games on a bigger scale since 2010 when we became stronger (winter games are far less important for me)

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Meldonium used according to description is a medicament....only for short period of time. Telling us that Sharapova was using it for 10 years indicates...she has severe heart problems   and she certainly didn`t use it as a "cure" ;). Total bullshit by her and other Russian athletes.

Even people with real heart problems take it in short periods approved by doctors :), used longer it`s not a medicament any longer and Sharapova managed well as for long-time serious heart-problems person :), amazingly well

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Kenya soon to be on that list, Jamaica probably too, and Russia, Russia, Russia, Russia.....