Benolympique 1,621 Posted November 24, 2019 #31 Share Posted November 24, 2019 il y a 5 minutes, Dunadan a dit : CONFIRMED QUALIFIED ATHLETES As of 04.11.2019 WOMEN MEN 1 GARNBRET Janja SLO 1 NARASAKI Tomoa JPN 2 NOGUCHI Akiyo JPN 2 SCHUBERT Jakob AUT 3 COXSEY Shauna GBR 3 KHAIBULLIN Rishat KAZ 4 MIROSLAW Aleksandra POL 4 HARADA Kai JPN 5 NONAKA Miho JPN 5 MAWEM Mickael FRA 6 KLINGLER Petra SUI 6 MEGOS Alexander GER 7 RABOUTOU Brooke USA 7 FOSSALI Ludovico ITA 8 PILZ Jessica AUT 8 MCCOLL Sean CAN https://www.ifsc-climbing.org/index.php/world-competition/olympic-games and the starters for the qualifier in Toulouse: https://www.ifsc-climbing.org/index.php/world-competition/calendar#!type=starters&comp=8322 So apparently Japan is allowed to send climbers even if they can't qualify what happens if Japan finishes in the top 6 for the quotas? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dunadan 1,103 Posted November 24, 2019 #32 Share Posted November 24, 2019 8 minutes ago, Benolympique said: what happens if Japan finishes in the top 6 for the quotas? I think the quota is given to the next best ranked climber. Benolympique 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phelps 6,860 Posted November 24, 2019 #33 Share Posted November 24, 2019 (edited) 6 hours ago, Dunadan said: CONFIRMED QUALIFIED ATHLETES As of 04.11.2019 WOMEN MEN 1 GARNBRET Janja SLO 1 NARASAKI Tomoa JPN 2 NOGUCHI Akiyo JPN 2 SCHUBERT Jakob AUT 3 COXSEY Shauna GBR 3 KHAIBULLIN Rishat KAZ 4 MIROSLAW Aleksandra POL 4 HARADA Kai JPN 5 NONAKA Miho JPN 5 MAWEM Mickael FRA 6 KLINGLER Petra SUI 6 MEGOS Alexander GER 7 RABOUTOU Brooke USA 7 FOSSALI Ludovico ITA 8 PILZ Jessica AUT 8 MCCOLL Sean CAN https://www.ifsc-climbing.org/index.php/world-competition/olympic-games and the starters for the qualifier in Toulouse: https://www.ifsc-climbing.org/index.php/world-competition/calendar#!type=starters&comp=8322 So apparently Japan is allowed to send climbers even if they can't qualify I really don't understand why they always have to make it so complicated... moreover...I'm sure in the rulebook there was written that in the final qualification tournament only a maximum of 2 climbers per Nation could enter the tournament... so, why do we have Japan with 4 men and France plus the USA with 3 girls in the starting list??? Edited November 24, 2019 by phelps Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dunadan 1,103 Posted November 24, 2019 #34 Share Posted November 24, 2019 (edited) 54 minutes ago, phelps said: moreover...I'm sure in the rulebook there was written that in the final qualification tournament only a maximum of 2 climbers per Nation could enter the tournament... so, why do we have Japan with 4 men and France plus the USA with 3 girls in the starting list??? Rule change...and apparently the Japanese sued IFSC because they confirmed their 2 quota places from the WCH but they want to be able to qualify more climbers and then choose 2 among them: "The Japanese Mountains and Sports Climbing Association’s (JMSCA) original interpretation of the IFSC rules would allow them to essentially qualify their athletes for the Olympics at all three Olympic qualifying event. By their interpretation, they would have a pool of five athletes per gender (two from the World Championships, two from Toulouse and one from the Asian Championships) to choose from. If they named one athlete per gender (Tomoa Narasaki and Akiyo Noguchi) from the World Championships as their Olympic picks, then they essentially protected their host country spot until the end of the selection process. However, because the JMSCA named two athletes per gender for the Olympics following the World Championships (Narasaki and Kai Harada and Noguchi and Miho Nonaka), the IFSC is saying that Japan has filled their quota, used their host country spot, and competing at other Olympic qualifying events is pointless." (https://www.gymclimber.com/ifsc-sued-by-japanese-climbing-federation-and-athlete-invitations-frozen/) This is insane from the Japanese federation honestly, they should have refused one quota and kept the host quota which was the only one given to the NOC rather than the athlete. Edited November 24, 2019 by Dunadan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phelps 6,860 Posted November 24, 2019 #35 Share Posted November 24, 2019 (edited) what a mess! 14 minutes ago, Dunadan said: Rule change...and apparently the Japanese sued IFSC because they confirmed their 2 quota places from the WCH but they want to be able to qualify more climbers and then choose 2 among them: "The Japanese Mountains and Sports Climbing Association’s (JMSCA) original interpretation of the IFSC rules would allow them to essentially qualify their athletes for the Olympics at all three Olympic qualifying event. By their interpretation, they would have a pool of five athletes per gender (two from the World Championships, two from Toulouse and one from the Asian Championships) to choose from. If they named one athlete per gender (Tomoa Narasaki and Akiyo Noguchi) from the World Championships as their Olympic picks, then they essentially protected their host country spot until the end of the selection process. However, because the JMSCA named two athletes per gender for the Olympics following the World Championships (Narasaki and Kai Harada and Noguchi and Miho Nonaka), the IFSC is saying that Japan has filled their quota, used their host country spot, and competing at other Olympic qualifying events is pointless." (https://www.gymclimber.com/ifsc-sued-by-japanese-climbing-federation-and-athlete-invitations-frozen/) This is insane from the Japanese federation honestly, they should have refused one quota and kept the host quota which was the only one given to the NOC rather than the athlete. and the last sentence in the linked article: "And big picture: Will this mess impact the International Olympic Committee’s opinion of Sport Climbing to the point of Sport Climbing being taken out of 2024?" because of this, I'd ban the Japanese Federation for at least 5 years and leaving them out of their Home Olympics and the next one... they are risking to put IFSC under bad lights and make them lose the chance to go from 2 to 4 events in 2024 (if not being kicked off completely by the IOC, even if I think that's really unlikely)... frankly, that's absolutely unacceptable from a member federation...they must be severely punished... Edited November 24, 2019 by phelps Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlFHg 330 Posted November 25, 2019 #36 Share Posted November 25, 2019 2 hours ago, phelps said: what a mess! and the last sentence in the linked article: "And big picture: Will this mess impact the International Olympic Committee’s opinion of Sport Climbing to the point of Sport Climbing being taken out of 2024?" because of this, I'd ban the Japanese Federation for at least 5 years and leaving them out of their Home Olympics and the next one... they are risking to put IFSC under bad lights and make them lose the chance to go from 2 to 4 events in 2024 (if not being kicked off completely by the IOC, even if I think that's really unlikely)... frankly, that's absolutely unacceptable from a member federation...they must be severely punished... Or, IOC can finally decide to give granted host quotas in all sports without creating further mess, as Sailing and judo do Davids 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phelps 6,860 Posted November 25, 2019 #37 Share Posted November 25, 2019 10 hours ago, AlFHg said: Or, IOC can finally decide to give granted host quotas in all sports without creating further mess, as Sailing and judo do tbh, I'm against those granted spot for the Host Nation...they should qualify as any other representative, especially in team sports/team events of the individual sports... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Olympian1010 7,477 Posted November 28, 2019 #38 Share Posted November 28, 2019 On 25/11/2019 at 02:31, phelps said: tbh, I'm against those granted spot for the Host Nation...they should qualify as any other representative, especially in team sports/team events of the individual sports... Except that there should be a reward for hosting the Olympics. Also, sports without home participation don’t generally get as many spectators. Plus, it’s just fun to see home athletes in events. “Sport has the power to change the world. It has the power to inspire. Sport can create hope where once there was only despair” - Nelson Mandela Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phelps 6,860 Posted November 29, 2019 #39 Share Posted November 29, 2019 13 hours ago, Olympian1010 said: Except that there should be a reward for hosting the Olympics. Also, sports without home participation don’t generally get as many spectators. Plus, it’s just fun to see home athletes in events. still, imho they have to deserve that reward, i.e. getting at least good (nobody ask them to be medal contenders) in that discipline... what we saw last Summer with the Korean Waterpolo teams at the world champs is absolutely unacceptable to me... Olympian1010 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hckošice 13,246 Posted March 2, 2020 #40 Share Posted March 2, 2020 Updated as of March 1st, 2020 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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