Slalom Canoeing ECA European Championships 2021

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1 hour ago, dcro said:

I don't like extreme slalom for the same reason I don't really like short track, ski cross, snowboard cross and so on. Overtaking is nearly impossible (extreme slalom is an extreme case of this). And when it actually happens, 50% of the time it gets reversed/adjusted after the race. Ugh.

 

I disagree, there's a lot of overtaking in these sports, almost never adjusted in ski/snow cross, more in short-track but it's like 5% of them.

[OlympicsFan 860]

2 hours ago, dcro said:

Multiple entries per NOC in slalom are not coming back... Ever. Deal with it.

 

And why should they? Just compare the results from Athens 2004 (the last time two entries per NOC were allowed), to Rio 2016. Limiting the number of entries per NOC quite literally allowed this sport to grow.

And that is your OPINION. Over time pretty much all sports got more diverse, no matter how many athletes per nation they allowed. Also at World Championships every nation can have more than 1 athlete, so how do you explain that this didn’t offset the effect of only having 1 athlete per nation at the Olympics (an event that only takes place every 4 years)?

 

More importantly: You missed the point!

 

It isn’t necessarily about the number of athletes per nation in slalom canoeing, but the fact that IOC randomly decides to only allow 1 athlete per nation in some sports, just to allow 3 athletes per nation in other sports. Even before the introduction of that rule no nation in slalom canoeing was remotely as dominant as for example South Korea in archery or the Netherlands in speed skating.

 

[OlympicsFan 860]

11 hours ago, JoshMartini007 said:

For slalom at least I'd argue those voices already exists. Too Euro-centric, requires a sport specific stadium...

If you look at the medalists at the last Olympics, then the following sports are more euro-centric:

Road cycling

Mountain biking

Water polo

Field hockey

Handball

 

Also in the following sports Asia was more dominant than Europe in slalom canoeing:

Table tennis

Badminton

 

Also: Slalom canoeing doesn’t require an artificially built stadium unlike swimming and other sports.

[hckošice 16,605]

 

Vit Prindis, Vavrinec Hradilek, Denis Gargaud Chanut, Nicolas Gestin, Camille Prigent, Roman Prigent, Mathieu Biazizzo, Lucie Prioux, Elena Apel, Lena Stoecklin, Franz Anton, Joe Clarke, Adam Burgess, Sophie Ogilvie, Gabriela Satkova, Vojtech Heger, Vaclav Chalupka, Alexander Slafkovsky, Michal Martikan, Jana Dukatova, Martin Halcin, Sona Stanovska, Miren Lazkano, Viktoria Wolffhardt, Luka Bozic etc...

 

this is only a short list of names of athletes who will have to miss the Olympics because they unfortunately lost their national internal qualifiers thanks 1 single boat per NOC rule..and the list is much more longer

 

 

If you find it normal then there something wrong.

 

 

it is appropriate to ask the question whether the Olympic Games aspire to the title of the most prestigious sports competition (in the case of canoeing slalom it certainly failed) or just for some entertainment for the whole world with lesser prestigious sports value (in this case it obviously succeeded for canoe slalom)

 

don't get me wrong, I have nothing against other sports, Nothing !, I don't envy them at all !. I also do not have anything against small countries and free quotas for them, Nothing at all. you just have to look at it also from another angle. there is still talk of same value for each olympic discipline, of total equality of the games blah blah blah

. nonsense.

Go and try to explain to a Czech or a Slovak or a Slovenian that they can only send one of their competitors to a canoe slalom event, even if they have 3 that may very well fight for medals, but the same organizer allow three fencers from the same nation to go to compete at the same event and even all three of them are allowed to win a medal in that competition. again, not get me wrong, nothing against fencing, I do not envy hem, let they have 3 athletes per NOC, let them have 12 events, same for athletics or all other sports.. just do not talk about equality and fair values

 

 

[dodge 1,041]

There's loads of factors at play. Triathlon was mentioned earlier but that's mass start and the difference between 35 starting and 55 starting isn't that much logistically.   The same way they're going to allow over 80 now in the marathon in Athletics.  Others are a bit more difficult to keep a rein on but they've even tightened up in swimming with the removal of the B time automatically allowing A time holders competing in multiple events. 

 

There are plenty of sports with only one entrant per NOC too; sailing, rowing, weightlifting and all the combat sports. 

 

All of which is to say that we all have our favourite sports, and we all know which sports give our countries a better chance of medalling, but it's not an easy job for the IOC and the sports federations. It's OK that we don't all get our wishlist

 

 

[Fly_like_a_don 1,162]

25 minutes ago, hckošice said:

Go and try to explain to a Czech or a Slovak or a Slovenian that they can only send one of their competitors to a canoe slalom event, even if they have 3 that may very well fight for medals

There are some olympic sports like BMX freestyle which give 2 quotas each to top performing nation (S). Canoe slalom also should have 2*3 for 3 nations

 

[dcro 10,211]

29 minutes ago, hckošice said:

If you find it normal then there something wrong.

This is absolutely normal for like 90% of summer sports. There is simply not enough space for everyone within the 10,500 athletes maximum.

[Fly_like_a_don 1,162]

Just now, dcro said:

This is absolutely normal for like 90% of summer sports. There is simply not enough space for everyone within the 10,500 athletes maximum.

Yeah that's true too. Iran might want a few more wrestlers like 2 in a category in at least 1-2 categories 

[dcro 10,211]

54 minutes ago, OlympicsFan said:

And that is your OPINION. Over time pretty much all sports got more diverse, no matter how many athletes per nation they allowed. Also at World Championships every nation can have more than 1 athlete, so how do you explain that this didn’t offset the effect of only having 1 athlete per nation at the Olympics (an event that only takes place every 4 years)?

 

More importantly: You missed the point!

 

It isn’t necessarily about the number of athletes per nation in slalom canoeing, but the fact that IOC randomly decides to only allow 1 athlete per nation in some sports, just to allow 3 athletes per nation in other sports. Even before the introduction of that rule no nation in slalom canoeing was remotely as dominant as for example South Korea in archery or the Netherlands in speed skating.

 

Comparing Summer and Winter Games is so weird. And just utterly nonsensical. They are two wholly different universes in terms of athlete representation.

[dcro 10,211]

25 minutes ago, dodge said:

There's loads of factors at play. Triathlon was mentioned earlier but that's mass start and the difference between 35 starting and 55 starting isn't that much logistically.   The same way they're going to allow over 80 now in the marathon in Athletics.  Others are a bit more difficult to keep a rein on but they've even tightened up in swimming with the removal of the B time automatically allowing A time holders competing in multiple events. 

 

There are plenty of sports with only one entrant per NOC too; sailing, rowing, weightlifting and all the combat sports. 

 

All of which is to say that we all have our favourite sports, and we all know which sports give our countries a better chance of medalling, but it's not an easy job for the IOC and the sports federations. It's OK that we don't all get our wishlist

 

 

Indeed. Probably the only sport which deserves this kind of criticism is weightlifting. Since it is the only sport whose qualification system prohibits all nations from taking part in each event. That's a hard no.