[OFF TOPIC] Politics Thread

[heywoodu 15,997]

First and main exit polls show D66 is likely to be the biggest. PVV second, but with that also one of the main losers.

[Agger 1,700]

Way to go, D66! 

[copravolley 498]

3 hours ago, heywoodu said:

Absolutely  

 

Polling stations close in around an hour, so until then of course there will be no exit polls and such, but after last night it mostly seems to be between two parties: Geert Wilders' PVV (far-right) and Rob Jetten's D66 (centrist). It is very unlikely the PVV will have a massive win as they did two years ago, since even when he was part of the government, Wilders kept torpedoeing the government and even go against his own ministers. Right now, it is getting more and more clear for people (finally) that a vote for Wilders is a vote for an unbelievably unstable government, if one can even be formed. A lot of parties have already said they will not form a coalition with the PVV, both because of their far-right stances and because forming a coalition with him simply means you are going to have another political crisis - most likely instigated by Wilders being in opposition to his own coalition.

 

D66 seems to have the momentum in the last few days. Then there's the rather far-left GL-PvdA team-up, two left parties that joined forces last time and are lead by the rather unpopular Frans Timmermans. They do have an outside shot at being the biggest today though, definitely the main option for those on the left. More on the right side is the VVD, which has been in every coalition since the dawn of time. Everyone always complains about them, yet apparently always enough people vote on them. Then there's the more central CDA, the Christian Democrats, the party of Mark Rutte's predecessor Jan-Peter Balkenende. Totally collapsed last time around due to one guy (Pieter Omtzigt) leaving and starting his own party, gaining a ton of seats. Omtzigt has since already left politics and his party (NSC) has now collapsed, they might get 1 seat today, who knows, most of it goes back to CDA and they too have an outside shot at winning.

 

Personally I expect something like this:

 

D66

PVV shortly behind it or maybe even equal

GL-PvdA a few seats behind them

VVD/CDA fighting for 4th

JA21 (far-right party of a guy who switches party on a near-weekly basis) being an almost certain 6th place.

 

Then there's some stuff like the populist farmer's party (BBB) which was super big for a short moment and was part of the 4-party coalition drama that led to us having elections now. The super strict Christians of SGP (oldest party in the country I believe, always good for 3 seats, or sometimes 2 or 4, since their fanbase is never-changing - fun fact, their leader comes from a tiny town that's part of my also fairly small municipality). The less strict Christians of the Christen-Unie, Volt and a few others.

 

To give a sense of the sheer number of options: yesterday were the final debates. First there was a debate with the small parties, 6 in total. Then came the debate with the big parties, 9 of them. That's 15 parties who are all in some way likely to get at least 1 seat. Not even counting the 10+ who participate without a real chance for that  

Wilders, is this a party similar to the AFD in Germany? Were such parties strong in your country 15-20 years ago? In Germany, the AFD has only been growing in the last 10 years.

[heywoodu 15,997]

1 hour ago, copravolley said:

Wilders, is this a party similar to the AFD in Germany? Were such parties strong in your country 15-20 years ago? In Germany, the AFD has only been growing in the last 10 years.

We had Pim Fortuyn as massive new star in the beginning of the century. Until he was shot dead.

[copravolley 498]

5 minutes ago, heywoodu said:

We had Pim Fortuyn as massive new star in the beginning of the century. Until he was shot dead.

I thought this only happened in the USA. Italy, unfortunately, introduced man, like Berlusconi into politics in the mid-1990s, and now, unfortunately, there are many of them in other countries – for example, Trump

[copravolley 498]

7 minutes ago, heywoodu said:

We had Pim Fortuyn as massive new star in the beginning of the century. Until he was shot dead.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pim_Fortuyn

 

From communism to the far right? Lol. Was there already a problem with immigration in the Netherlands at the beginning of the 21st century?

[bestmen 2,898]

Zohran Mamdani becomes the first NYC Politician to stand with Palestine 

 

sadly he will just prohibite selling the street hotdog to Satanyahu 

[bestmen 2,898]

 

[bestmen 2,898]

Look at that ...Satanyahu is calling Franceska Albanese  = a witch 

 

 

 

 

She replied by : countries should cut their relation with lobby of criminals

 

Edited October 30 by bestmen

[bestmen 2,898]

Wooow the first acting from  Czech republic 

 

 

 

The Czech Republic has denied entry to an Israeli army reservist after French authorities issued a Schengen-wide “criminal alert” accusing him of “serious crimes,” Israeli media reported. The unnamed reservist was detained for several hours at Prague’s Vaclav Havel Airport before being informed that he could not enter any Schengen country. Czech officials said only France could lift the ban.

According to reports, the reservist and his wife were confronted by armed police at passport control and later forced to return to the occupied territories after failed attempts to contact the Israeli embassy. The Israeli foreign ministry claimed the reason for the ban was unclear but dismissed links to alleged war crimes.

The case highlights growing global scrutiny of Israeli military conduct. Similar incidents have occurred elsewhere, including war crimes complaints in Prague, travel restrictions for Israeli soldiers in Australia, and new visa requirements in New Zealand amid widening investigations.