OlympicsFan 858 Posted March 27, 2016 #41 Share Posted March 27, 2016 (edited) Athletes who are in top 20 of world ranking but didnt win a quota place: Mens 50 m rifle 3 positions: Henry (18th in world ranking) (France has two other qualified athletes in this event) Mens 50 m rifle prone: Grigoryan (2nd in world ranking), Durkovic (5th in world ranking), Sukhorukov (17th in world ranking), Mathis (19th in world ranking), Parr (20th in world ranking) (Russia has two other qualified athletes in this event) Mens 10 m air rifle: Maslennikov (8th in world ranking), Liu (13th in world ranking), Sokolov (18th in world ranking), Kurki (20th in world ranking) (Russia and China have two other qualified athletes in this event) Mens 50 m pistol: Mai (4th in world ranking), Wang (10th in world ranking), Choi (16th in world ranking), Isakov (17th in world ranking), Gourianov (20th in world ranking) (China and South Korea have two other qualified athletes in this event) Mens 25 m rapid fire pistol: Li (7th in world ranking), Strnad (14th in world ranking), Artaud (15th in world ranking), Dumal (16th in world ranking), Podhrasky (17th in world ranking), Lunev (18th in world ranking), Alifirenko (19th in world ranking) Bessaguet (20th in world ranking) (China has two other qualified athletes in this event) Mens 10 m air pistol: Isakov (4th in world ranking), Koulakov (17th in world ranking) (Russia has two other qualified athletes in this event) Mens trap: Sandhu (10th in world ranking), Frasca (11th in world ranking), J.Brol (15th in world ranking), Bindrich (16th in world ranking), Kowalczyk (18th in world ranking), Boivin (20th in world ranking) (Italy has two other qualified athletes in this event) Mens double trap: Eller (4th in world ranking), Mohd (6th in world ranking), Al-Athba (8th in world ranking), Chetcuti (12th in world ranking), Coward-Holley (14th in world ranking), Olejnik (15th in world ranking), Zou (17th in world ranking), Gasparini (18th in world ranking), Almaktoum (20th in world ranking) (GB, USA, China and Italy have two other qualified athletes in this event) Mens skeet: Rossetti (2nd in world ranking), Laitinen (13th in world ranking), Astakhov (14th in world ranking), Achilleos (15th in world ranking), Jin (16th in world ranking), Gazzotti (18th in world ranking) Perry (20th in world ranking) (Italy and USA have two other qualified athletes in this event) Womens 50 m rifle 3 positions: Engleder (2nd in world ranking), Bruns (11th in world ranking), Chang (12th in world ranking), Chuluunbadrakh (18th in world ranking) (Germany and China have two other qualified athletes in this event) Womens 10 m air rifle: Engleder (15th in world ranking), Kim (18th in world ranking), Grande (19th in world ranking) (Germany has two other qualified athletes in this event) Womens 25 m pistol: Karsch (9th in world ranking), Dorjsuren (17th in world ranking), Azahari (20th in world ranking) Womens 10 m air pistol: Arunovic (1st in world ranking), Tien (11th in world ranking) (Serbia has two other qualified athletes in this event) Womens trap: Ashmawy (9th in world ranking), Rodrigues (14th in world ranking), Rossi (15th in world ranking) Kerwood (17th in world ranking), Couzy (18th in world ranking), Alhawal (18th in world ranking), Bassil (20th in world ranking) Womens skeet: Craft (1st in world ranking), Connor (2nd in world ranking), Spada (4th in world ranking), Wei (6th in world ranking), Andreou (17th in world ranking), Shakirova (19th in world ranking), Messerschmidt (20th in world ranking) (USA, China and Italy have two other qualified athletes in this event) Edited March 27, 2016 by OlympicsFan Attachment is the great fabricator of illusions; reality can be obtained only by someone who is detached. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MantaRaymarc 132 Posted March 28, 2016 Author #42 Share Posted March 28, 2016 12 hours ago, EselTheDonkey said: There is a national qualification. The best shooters from this qualification will compete at the World Cups in Rio and Munich, where the best and depending on the numbe rof quotas second best will qualify for the Olympics. If, for example, Engleder qualifies in both rifle events, it's possible that the additional quta place will go to Karsch. In two World Cup meets, how will you select the best and second best German shooters in each individual event (depending on the number of quotas) who are eligible to qualify for the Games? When they collect the number of points at their respective shooting events, will their scores be determined by getting the average between the two meets or the combined total? How come rifle prone specialists Daniel Brodmeier and Henri Junghanel are the only members of the German team to assure selection according to DOSB? I've just seen the list of shooters with MQS in ISSF website and there are 10 Germans in the 50 m rifle prone. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prashanth 168 Posted March 28, 2016 #43 Share Posted March 28, 2016 13 hours ago, OlympicsFan said: Athletes who are in top 20 of world ranking but didnt win a quota place: Mens 50 m rifle 3 positions: Henry (18th in world ranking) (France has two other qualified athletes in this event) Mens 50 m rifle prone: Grigoryan (2nd in world ranking), Durkovic (5th in world ranking), Sukhorukov (17th in world ranking), Mathis (19th in world ranking), Parr (20th in world ranking) (Russia has two other qualified athletes in this event) Mens 10 m air rifle: Maslennikov (8th in world ranking), Liu (13th in world ranking), Sokolov (18th in world ranking), Kurki (20th in world ranking) (Russia and China have two other qualified athletes in this event) Mens 50 m pistol: Mai (4th in world ranking), Wang (10th in world ranking), Choi (16th in world ranking), Isakov (17th in world ranking), Gourianov (20th in world ranking) (China and South Korea have two other qualified athletes in this event) Mens 25 m rapid fire pistol: Li (7th in world ranking), Strnad (14th in world ranking), Artaud (15th in world ranking), Dumal (16th in world ranking), Podhrasky (17th in world ranking), Lunev (18th in world ranking), Alifirenko (19th in world ranking) Bessaguet (20th in world ranking) (China has two other qualified athletes in this event) Mens 10 m air pistol: Isakov (4th in world ranking), Koulakov (17th in world ranking) (Russia has two other qualified athletes in this event) Mens trap: Sandhu (10th in world ranking), Frasca (11th in world ranking), J.Brol (15th in world ranking), Bindrich (16th in world ranking), Kowalczyk (18th in world ranking), Boivin (20th in world ranking) (Italy has two other qualified athletes in this event) Mens double trap: Eller (4th in world ranking), Mohd (6th in world ranking), Al-Athba (8th in world ranking), Chetcuti (12th in world ranking), Coward-Holley (14th in world ranking), Olejnik (15th in world ranking), Zou (17th in world ranking), Gasparini (18th in world ranking), Almaktoum (20th in world ranking) (GB, USA, China and Italy have two other qualified athletes in this event) Mens skeet: Rossetti (2nd in world ranking), Laitinen (13th in world ranking), Astakhov (14th in world ranking), Achilleos (15th in world ranking), Jin (16th in world ranking), Gazzotti (18th in world ranking) Perry (20th in world ranking) (Italy and USA have two other qualified athletes in this event) Womens 50 m rifle 3 positions: Engleder (2nd in world ranking), Bruns (11th in world ranking), Chang (12th in world ranking), Chuluunbadrakh (18th in world ranking) (Germany and China have two other qualified athletes in this event) Womens 10 m air rifle: Engleder (15th in world ranking), Kim (18th in world ranking), Grande (19th in world ranking) (Germany has two other qualified athletes in this event) Womens 25 m pistol: Karsch (9th in world ranking), Dorjsuren (17th in world ranking), Azahari (20th in world ranking) Womens 10 m air pistol: Arunovic (1st in world ranking), Tien (11th in world ranking) (Serbia has two other qualified athletes in this event) Womens trap: Ashmawy (9th in world ranking), Rodrigues (14th in world ranking), Rossi (15th in world ranking) Kerwood (17th in world ranking), Couzy (18th in world ranking), Alhawal (18th in world ranking), Bassil (20th in world ranking) Womens skeet: Craft (1st in world ranking), Connor (2nd in world ranking), Spada (4th in world ranking), Wei (6th in world ranking), Andreou (17th in world ranking), Shakirova (19th in world ranking), Messerschmidt (20th in world ranking) (USA, China and Italy have two other qualified athletes in this event) But Sandhu is added to the Olympic list, by virtue of an exchange he would be there at the Olympics though.... Tokyo - 2020 Go India Go Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
heywoodu 14,901 Posted March 28, 2016 #44 Share Posted March 28, 2016 16 hours ago, OlympicsFan said: Athletes who are in top 20 of world ranking but didnt win a quota place: There are 5 world ranked top-3 athletes who won't even go to the Olympics, including two world leaders? If you'd like to help our fellow Totallympics member Bruna Moura get to the 2026 Winter Olympics, after her car crash on the way to the 2022 Olympics, every tiny bit of help would be greatly appreciated! Full story and how to help can be found here! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nitinsanker 202 Posted March 28, 2016 #45 Share Posted March 28, 2016 (edited) 1 hour ago, heywoodu said: There are 5 world ranked top-3 athletes who won't even go to the Olympics, including two world leaders? In shooting though the seeding is very ephemeral ............. by the next scores which should be out this month end many of the top few players would go down the order and new players would go forward .................. so seeding do not necessarily show the best shooters Edited March 28, 2016 by nitinsanker strength does not come from physical capacity but from an indomitable will. - Gandhi Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MantaRaymarc 132 Posted March 28, 2016 Author #46 Share Posted March 28, 2016 SHOOTING TEAM Giovanni Cernogoraz - Men's trap Josip Glasnović - Men's trap Petar Gorša - Men's rifle events (AR60, FR60PR, FR3X40) Snježana Pejčić - Women's rifle events (AR40, STR3X20) Valentina Gustin? - Women's air rifle (AR40) Tanja Perec? - Women's rifle three positions (STR3X20) Marija Marović - Women's pistol events (AP40, SP) I just noticed that Croatian female shooters outnumbered the males for Rio 2016, as compared to the previous Games. Do you think this list is officially final, dcro? I was assuming if Croatia had an opportunity to trade a spot for any of the rifle events among the females with Bojan Durkovic in the men's rifle. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dcro 10,210 Posted March 28, 2016 #47 Share Posted March 28, 2016 13 minutes ago, MantaRaymarc said: SHOOTING TEAM Giovanni Cernogoraz - Men's trap Josip Glasnović - Men's trap Petar Gorša - Men's rifle events (AR60, FR60PR, FR3X40) Snježana Pejčić - Women's rifle events (AR40, STR3X20) Valentina Gustin? - Women's air rifle (AR40) Tanja Perec? - Women's rifle three positions (STR3X20) Marija Marović - Women's pistol events (AP40, SP) I just noticed that Croatian female shooters outnumbered the males for Rio 2016, as compared to the previous Games. Do you think this list is officially final, dcro? I was assuming if Croatia had an opportunity to trade a spot for any of the rifle events among the females with Bojan Durkovic in the men's rifle. It is official. We will not trade place. Our policy in shooting has always been that athletes that have earned the quota themselves are selected for Olympics. MantaRaymarc 1 #banbestmen Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EselTheDonkey 824 Posted March 28, 2016 #48 Share Posted March 28, 2016 (edited) 17 hours ago, OlympicsFan said: Athletes who are in top 20 of world ranking but didnt win a quota place: Mens 50 m rifle 3 positions: Henry (18th in world ranking) (France has two other qualified athletes in this event) Mens 50 m rifle prone: Grigoryan (2nd in world ranking), Durkovic (5th in world ranking), Sukhorukov (17th in world ranking), Mathis (19th in world ranking), Parr (20th in world ranking) (Russia has two other qualified athletes in this event) Mens 10 m air rifle: Maslennikov (8th in world ranking), Liu (13th in world ranking), Sokolov (18th in world ranking), Kurki (20th in world ranking) (Russia and China have two other qualified athletes in this event) Mens 50 m pistol: Mai (4th in world ranking), Wang (10th in world ranking), Choi (16th in world ranking), Isakov (17th in world ranking), Gourianov (20th in world ranking) (China and South Korea have two other qualified athletes in this event) Mens 25 m rapid fire pistol: Li (7th in world ranking), Strnad (14th in world ranking), Artaud (15th in world ranking), Dumal (16th in world ranking), Podhrasky (17th in world ranking), Lunev (18th in world ranking), Alifirenko (19th in world ranking) Bessaguet (20th in world ranking) (China has two other qualified athletes in this event) Mens 10 m air pistol: Isakov (4th in world ranking), Koulakov (17th in world ranking) (Russia has two other qualified athletes in this event) Mens trap: Sandhu (10th in world ranking), Frasca (11th in world ranking), J.Brol (15th in world ranking), Bindrich (16th in world ranking), Kowalczyk (18th in world ranking), Boivin (20th in world ranking) (Italy has two other qualified athletes in this event) Mens double trap: Eller (4th in world ranking), Mohd (6th in world ranking), Al-Athba (8th in world ranking), Chetcuti (12th in world ranking), Coward-Holley (14th in world ranking), Olejnik (15th in world ranking), Zou (17th in world ranking), Gasparini (18th in world ranking), Almaktoum (20th in world ranking) (GB, USA, China and Italy have two other qualified athletes in this event) Mens skeet: Rossetti (2nd in world ranking), Laitinen (13th in world ranking), Astakhov (14th in world ranking), Achilleos (15th in world ranking), Jin (16th in world ranking), Gazzotti (18th in world ranking) Perry (20th in world ranking) (Italy and USA have two other qualified athletes in this event) Womens 50 m rifle 3 positions: Engleder (2nd in world ranking), Bruns (11th in world ranking), Chang (12th in world ranking), Chuluunbadrakh (18th in world ranking) (Germany and China have two other qualified athletes in this event) Womens 10 m air rifle: Engleder (15th in world ranking), Kim (18th in world ranking), Grande (19th in world ranking) (Germany has two other qualified athletes in this event) Womens 25 m pistol: Karsch (9th in world ranking), Dorjsuren (17th in world ranking), Azahari (20th in world ranking) Womens 10 m air pistol: Arunovic (1st in world ranking), Tien (11th in world ranking) (Serbia has two other qualified athletes in this event) Womens trap: Ashmawy (9th in world ranking), Rodrigues (14th in world ranking), Rossi (15th in world ranking) Kerwood (17th in world ranking), Couzy (18th in world ranking), Alhawal (18th in world ranking), Bassil (20th in world ranking) Womens skeet: Craft (1st in world ranking), Connor (2nd in world ranking), Spada (4th in world ranking), Wei (6th in world ranking), Andreou (17th in world ranking), Shakirova (19th in world ranking), Messerschmidt (20th in world ranking) (USA, China and Italy have two other qualified athletes in this event) Sorry, but mentioning Engleder is wrong. She would have won an Olympic Quota place. It's just that two other Germans won a quota place earlier, which is why they were mentioned by name here. This was done not to count an athlete twice in the Olympic qualification, not because this is *their" quota place. Edited March 28, 2016 by EselTheDonkey Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EselTheDonkey 824 Posted March 28, 2016 #49 Share Posted March 28, 2016 (edited) 5 hours ago, MantaRaymarc said: How come rifle prone specialists Daniel Brodmeier and Henri Junghanel are the only members of the German team to assure selection according to DOSB? Because they were the only one who fulfilled the German National standards in their discipline. Therefore they are already qualified. Edited March 28, 2016 by EselTheDonkey Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OlympicsFan 858 Posted March 28, 2016 #50 Share Posted March 28, 2016 1 hour ago, heywoodu said: There are 5 world ranked top-3 athletes who won't even go to the Olympics, including two world leaders? Not necessarily. For example Germany has won two quota places in womens 50 m rifle 3 positions, so Engleder still could qualify if she beats at least one of those 2 athletes who won the quota places at the german qualification event. There are still some very unlucky athletes: - Durkovic (Croatia) is 5th in mens 50 m rifle prone, but Croatia doesnt have a quota place in this event, so they have 2 options: 1) Exchange quota places: I dont think that they will do it, because it would be unfair to take away the quota place from one of their other athletes. 2) Durkovic could try to "steal" the quota place in mens 10 m air rifle from Gorsa and then he could compete in mens 10 m air rifle and mens 50 m rifle prone, but that also would be unfair for Gorsa. - Mohd (India) is 6th in mens double trap, but India doesnt have a quota place in this event, so they have basically only one option (assuming that Mohd wont try to take Indias quota place in mens trap): They have to exchange quota places, otherwise Mohd wont be able to compete in Rio. - Karsch (Germany) is 9th in womens 25 m pistol, but Germany doesnt have a quota place in this event. The good thing is that Pfeilschifter (who won a quota place in womens 10 m air rifle) retired, so we could exchange her quota place without taking it away from someone else. We still have 3 more quota places in womens rifle events, so Gschwandtner (4th in womens 50 m rifle 3 positions), Engleder (2nd in womens 50 m rifle 3 positions) and Gauß (current world champion in womens 50 m rifle 3 positions and 5th in world ranking) all could go to Rio. The sad thing is that at least one of them wont be allowed to compete in womens 50 m rifle 3 positions (only 2 athletes for every nation are allowed). In addition to that this would mean that Kreutzer (who won one of the quota places) and Beer (who won the last world cup in womens 50 m rifle 3 positions, although it was her first world cup ever in this event ) wont be allowed to compete in Rio. We have a similar situation in mens 50 m rifle 3 positions (China is ranked 1st, 4th and 5th), mens 10 m air rifle (China is ranked 1st, 2nd and 10th), mens 50 m pistol (China is ranked 2nd, 4th and 10th), mens 25 m rapid fire pistol (China is ranked 5th, 7th and 8th) and womens 25 m pistol (China is ranked 1st, 3rd and 8th). Attachment is the great fabricator of illusions; reality can be obtained only by someone who is detached. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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