Doping Cases and Bans Thread (2016 & 2017)

[stefanbg 163]

• Before the Winter Olympics in Sochi, Russia created a storage bank of clean, frozen urine
• Russia's security service, the FSB, worked in a building next to the Sochi laboratory, swapping positive urine samples for clean negative ones through a "mouse hole", adding table salt to make them weigh the same
• A key FSB agent had access to the Sochi anti-doping laboratory, disguised as a sewage and plumbing contractor

http://www.bbc.com/sport/36823453

 

If that's all true Hollywood can make a decent movie out of the whole story...

[tigersay 30]

2 часа назад, Pavlo сказал:

facts and statistics are fairy tale? Why they would make fairy tales about Russia and not Turkey or China. Maybe you hear fairy tales in Russia, it`s more probable.

 

Maybe it`s time to face facts dear friend and face consequences

Please, tell us the facts now, we're waiting.

Hollywood-style stories are not the facts.

We have mentioned earlier strange table with interesting numbers (with no dates or any additional info)

What else?

Edited July 19, 2016 by tigersay

[tigersay 30]

I would add that even in most Russian-hating newspapers there it is everywhere written that number of proofs and facts is close to zero, and the point of discussion shouldn't be "if Russia should be disqualified", but " if that story is true". 

[intoronto 5,635]

8 minutes ago, tigersay said:

Please, tell us the facts now, we're waiting.

Hollywood-style stories are not the facts.

We have mentioned earlier strange table with interesting numbers (with no dates or any additional info)

What else?

 

[JoshMartini007 2,536]

Here's the report if anyone wants to read it.

[heywoodu 15,135]

5 minutes ago, tigersay said:

I would add that even in most Russian-hating newspapers there it is everywhere written that number of proofs and facts is close to zero, and the point of discussion shouldn't be "if Russia should be disqualified", but " if that story is true". 

 

Then what, Russia should investigate it? I don't think that's gonna help, then you get a situation like in FIFA where Blatter was investigating whether or not Blatter was doing a good job. 

 

Let's be honest, even if they put every possible bit of proof on the table and throw out any regards for privacy and such, there will still be people saying "yeah, but...that's not true!". 

 

I can't blame Russian sports fans for being angry by the way. Of course, their Ministry of Sports royally f*cked them over and now they're entire country might be banned from the Olympics. That's not cool. 

[tigersay 30]

In real life I have some connection with Russian national speedway team (Polish guys should know what it is), and even riders write that they are a bit scared how it can influence on them (but to be honest, there is no connection between them and IOC, cause we would never see motorsports in Olympics).

[Pavlo 141]

48 minut temu, tigersay napisał:

Please, tell us the facts now, we're waiting.

Hollywood-style stories are not the facts.

We have mentioned earlier strange table with interesting numbers (with no dates or any additional info)

What else?

everyone chooses in what he believes...good luck

[tigersay 30]

Oh, IOC decided to cancel presumption of innocence of Russian athletes about doping. So, should athlete by himself go to foreign ADA and tell officers there to take test from him?)) Because it's unusual situation and we need to know how it should work(do they mean all sportspeople from every sport? Should, for exmaple, Russian speedway(or in any other motorsport) team do something in that situation?

[heywoodu 15,135]

7 minutes ago, tigersay said:

So, should athlete by himself go to foreign ADA and tell officers there to take test from him?)) Because it's unusual situation and we need to know how it should work(do they mean all sportspeople from every sport? Should, for exmaple, Russian speedway(or in any other motorsport) team do something in that situation?

This is quite a good letter from Sergey Litvinov about all that (from earlier this month):

 

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Editor’s Note: Last week the IAAF announced that the Russian athletics team will not be eligible to compete in the upcoming Olympic Games due systemic doping issues. Sergej Litvinov is the Russian champion in the hammer throw and placed 5th at last year’s World Championships. This week he wrote the following letter to Lord Sebastian Coe, President of the IAAF, asking what he can personally do to compete again.

Dear Lord Coe,

When it was announced that the Russian team will be banned from the upcoming Olympics last week, the common reaction here in Russia was denial mixed with anger. Many top athletes and officials continue to deny the scope of the problem and are angry that Russia is being singled out while similar issues exist in many places across the world.

I am not in denial. I agree with your statement last week: “the Russian system has cataclysmically failed their clean athletes.” This is the truth: Russia has a problem and many athletes do not realize the extent of it. But I cannot change this problem so I am also angry. I am angry because I have dedicated a majority of my life to the hammer throw and I have done it clean. Despite immense pressure to break the rules I decided to sacrifice results and now am punished for it.

And at the same time I am sad because there is no clear path forward for me and other clean Russians to compete again. Rather than arguing over the fairness of the action, I want to discuss the way forward. I want to find out how I can compete again. I find myself in the difficult situation of needing to prove a negative. As we have seen in the history of doping, this is nearly impossible to do and one of the reasons that the burden of proof typically rests with the prosecution in these situations. Therefore I seek your assistance and guidance.

Making the decision to compete clean was not easy. It has meant that people question why I have not won more medals. It means I have been viewed as a failure in comparison to my father’s world record. It has meant that I watch as I am beaten by athletes I am better than and missed the chance to compete at the 2012 Olympics. However it is a decision that is right. And it is a decision I can make with a clean conscience. I do not have to worry about hiding the rest of my life every time old samples are retested. I do not have to worry about competing regularly on the international circuit, something I did more than any other Russian thrower last season. I do not have to worry about being in the IAAF Registered Testing Pool, which I had been in since first starting for Russia. (On a side note, I was removed from the pool without explanation after one of my best seasons ever last year. I was told by the IAAF Anti-Doping Department that RUSADA would now be responsible for my testing, after it was clearly established by WADA that RUSADA is not capable of acting responsibly. Therefore I still submit my whereabouts to the IAAF, effectively volunteering myself for testing since last year.) I did all this thinking that, as a clean athlete, I would not have any troubles. I was wrong.

In your announcement last week you laid out one path that clean Russians can take to compete already this year: show that they have been outside the country and subject to effective anti-doping systems. This week Thomas Bach said that athletes can prove they are clean if they were subject to “international tests, or tests supervised and approved by international authorities.” Providing such exceptions is essential, but the announcements are conflicting and lack details. As an athlete I do not know what is required and the process to show I am clean. All I know is that throughout my career I have many items which help demonstrate I am clean:

• Earlier in my career I trained in and competed for Germany. In that system I placed 5th at the World Championships (as high as any finish I have achieved with Russia).
• I spent nearly five years in the IAAF Registered Testing Pool and was tested regularly.
• I volunteered for the testing IAAF testing pool this year, but was not selected to be tested as part of that program. However I was subject to international tests by UK Anti Doping on March 26, April 17, and May 15.
• I regularly competed outside of Russia and was subject to tests at those competitions before being prevented from doing so this year.

Being a hammer thrower makes it financially difficult to relocate and is actually what led me home to Russia in the first place. I decided to return home and compete for Russia so that I could be together with my family. Hammer throwers do not have the chance to compete in the Diamond League or secure the big sponsorships needed to move a family and support network abroad. This is the financial reality of our event. However if that is what it takes I will do everything I can to make it happen. If my actions until now are not enough, would I be eligible to compete next season if I move and begin training outside of Russia in the future? I am willing to do what you ask, but I need to know what exactly you are asking from us to gain the chance to compete again now or in the future. Otherwise the situation is out of my control and I am dependent on my federation, which does not make me optimistic.

As I have shown, I have made tough decisions to compete clean throughout my career. And I am willing to make more tough decisions even if it means leaving my home, leaving my family, and leaving my coach . . . I just need to know which decisions to make. Many athletes will be deterred by last week’s announcement. Some will even leave the sport. But this sport is my life and I will fight to compete again. Just please show me a clear way.

Best regards,
Sergej Litvinov