OlympicsFan

Ok, i thought from the beginning that you weren't interested in a discussion, i am just asking myself why you still felt the need to respond ... By the way reading comprehension seems to be a huge problem for you, since i never reasoned the way you are claiming it.

I think both Gina Lückenkemper and Tatjana Pinto achieved the standard in women's 100 m (London Diamond League) yesterday, Pinto already had the standard in women's 200 m. Now Germany should have a maximum of 3 athletes "qualified" in women's 100 m with the potential for 3 more girls (Mihambo, Mayer, Kwayie) getting there.

I think USA can still win it, but it will be close. USA still has gold medal chances in men's 50/100 fly, men's 500/100 free, men's 50/100/200 back, men's 200/400 IM, men's medley relay, men's 800 free relay, both mixed relays, women's 50/100/200/800/1500 free, women's 50/100/200 breast, women's 50/100/200 back, women's 200 fly, women's medley relay and women's 800 free relay. China still has gold medal chances in men's 200 free, men's 50/100/200 back, men's 200 IM and maybe women's 200 breast + women's 800 free relay. I would say USA ends up at 16 golds at best and then we will have to wait what China will do. Right now i would give China the edge, because i think that they could very well win 3 more golds on the men's side, but if it comes to a tie in gold medals, then the US will probably win.

Don't know what you mean, but maybe this helps? http://www.omegatiming.com/2019/18th-fina-world-championships-sw-live-results

Agreed, i thought you meant that she would win gold ... Normally sub 4:00 should be enough for a medal, but you never know what Smith and the chinese girls (who are even younger than Kesely) will do next year.

Sure ... if i remember correctly Oleksiak hasn't improved since 2016 (when she was 16 years old), i don't see why that should change. In most other sports you would be almost certain that a 16 year old can only get better, but not in swimming. Ye Shiwen and Missy Franklin both peaked in 2012 at the age of 16/17.

At least you guys are not alone, i don't see any european nation winning a relay medal on the women's side here. Of course it doesn't help that Steenbergen (so far) didn't develop into the star most people expected her to be.

Ruck seems to be in a good shape, i think she could finish 4th in women's 100 free behind Campbell, Sjöstrom and Manuel.

Why? USA and Australia were always favored over them.

Get what? A medal?

Huge new PB for her, if she keeps improving at this rate, she will be a medal favorite next year.

Very weak level apart from Sjöstrom and MacNeil, this could be a huge chance for girls like Di Liddo and Wattel. Next year Ikee and Oleksiak will hopefully be back + Shkurdai will be 56 low by then hopefully.

Agree, i think Budapest is a great city and hungarian people are for sure very enthusiastic about sports like fencing, canoeing or swimming, but i just don't think that a country as small/poor as Hungary should host the olympics, there must be better things to do with the money.

At least Hungary hosting athletics world championships would be better than Doha hosting them ...

Boring ... why don't we just limit hosts to Kazan and Budapest ...

Better than trying to win a discussionwithout giving any arguments, which is exactly what you are doing. It can't be that hard to understand ... All i am saying is, that the U23 championships are a better indicator for future success than the U20 european championships. If you want to continue this discussion, then maybe try to find some facts that show that what i am claiming is wrong. Please don't claim that i said something that i actually never said, just so that you can argue against it.

Not sure what you really mean ... I just follow all junior/youth competitions and regularly look at top lists. In order to place their performances in perspective, i look at their progression, their techinque/how much they might profit from superior physicality at this stage and their nations history in producing world class athletes in a certain event. In the end there are only very few talents who are too good to fail, but of course some are more likely to succeed based on the event they compete in. It doesn't take an expert to say that talents who won medals in field events here are far more likely to succeed at senior level than talents who won medals in track events.

She is also a good talent, but didn't improve this year which is very worrying at this age + the greek girl beat her yesterday despite clearly having worse wind. Don't get your point here. What exactly do you mean with reliable? Of course talents that are producing eye-catching performances at such a young age are more likely to be successful at senior level. Of course most of the medallists here will never win a medal at senior level, statistically speaking there is a good chance that 6 or 7 medallists will win medals at senior world championships/olympic games in the future. At the same time statistically speaking there is a good chance that 11 or 12 medallists from the U23 european championships will go on to win medals at senior world championships/olympic games, so in general the results at U23 european championships are a better indicator of future success (obviously, since the talents there are closer to senior level age-wise). As far as i know Lewandowski never won a medal at senior world championships/olympic games, so he isn't even included in my statistics, but here are some examples of athletes who won medals at U20 and U23 european championships and then went on to win medals at senior world championships/olympic games: U20: Hejnova, Ennis, Kszczot, Shubenkov, Spanovic, Thiam, Schippers, Perkovic, Mayer, Lasitskene, Kolak, Warholm, Rutherford U23: Hejnova, Ennis, Kszczot, Shubenkov, Spanovic, Thiam, Schippers, Stahl, Storl, Fajdek, Stefanidi, Röhler, Gudzius, Farah, Klüft, Harting, Mekhissi

So far the only championship record broken was the one in men's hammer throw (84.73 by Kokhan), but some athletes were very close to break very old championship records. In the women's 200 m Amy Hunt missed the championship record (22.85 set by Bärbel Eckert in 1973) by only 0.09 (22.94 vs. 22.85) and she probably would have broken it, if it wouldn't have been for a -1.7 m/s headwind. Polina Miller missed Christina Brehmer's record back from 1975 by about half a second (51.72 vs. 51.27). Tilde Johansson missed Olena Ovcharova's 100 m hurdles record back from 1995 by less than a tenth (13.16 vs. 13.09). In women's high jump Mahuchikh missed the record (shared by Kuchina and Yelesina) by 3 cm (1.92 vs. 1.95). Despite a -2.4 m/s headwind during her best attempt Karidi missed the championship record in women's triple jump by only 12 cm (14.00 vs. 14.12, record dates back to 2001). In the men's 400 m Scotti missed Roger Black's record back from 1985 by about half a second (45.85 vs. 45.36), no other record was threatened on the men's side so far. Tomorrow the records in men's 3000 m SC, women's 400 m hurdles, women's pole vault, women's long jump and women's javelin throw could be in danger.

It is too early indeed. In general the results at the U23 european championships are a much better indicator. Statistically between 6 and 7 individual medallists from U20 european championships go on to win individual medals at senior world championships/olympic games, so not very much. My money is on 6 or 7 out of Kokhan, Hunt, Seedo, Johansson, Mahuchikh, Karidi, Van Klinken, Vicente, Sotero, Iapichino, Tzenggo, Gataullina and Hodgkinson.

Some observations about this diamond league meeting: - WADA officials must be crazy mad after seeing how blatantly Ingebrigtsen and Warholm are cheating - Jamaica had a slump, but now they just don't seem to give a shit anymore. Blake and SAFP are suddenly world-class again + the girl in women's hurdles who came out of nowhere + the guy in men's long jump + Dacres. To be honest i understand it, considering that Kenya has had half of their athletes banned during the last 12 months but is still allowed to send a team to global competitions. I also have to say that i absolutely understand that russian athletes/officials are angry. Compared to Jamaica/Norway/Kenya/Ethiopia they were playing perfectly by the rules. - I also hope that some of the british athletics officials will talk to Dobbin and tell her that she can't go on like this anymore: Until 2018 her best was 23.31 (and before that her best was 23.94) and then in 2018 she suddenly ran 22.59 into a -1.3 m/s headwind, all that at the age of 24, this is just insulting to all other athletes who have to compete against her.

Celebrate the diversity ... You can't ask for more diversity (if you can call another day with 7 european and one south korean athlete in semifinal really diverse ...) and at the same time be unhappy about Italy getting less dominant. Crazy to see how bad german fencing has become, now even countries like Hong Kong, Brazil, Greece or GB will finish ahead of Germany in the medal table.

Two russian girls (Egorian and Pozdniakova!) in the sabre already out before the competition even started ... Also: There is an indian girl named "Bhavani Devi Chadalavada Anandha Sundhararaman" and she just won against Besbes!

Congrats! Really impressive performance, especially because epee is usually dominated by old athletes. Hungary seems to have an endless pool of talents and constantly produces new world class athletes.

Congrats, both are young enough to compete at the U20 world championships next year.