[OFF TOPIC] Politics Thread

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  On 12/16/2023 at 12:06 PM, heywoodu said:

Curious what happens if Wilders does indeed become prime minister, he doesn't strike me as the type who'd be easily willing to overlook the massive Bulgarian fraud by all the people who 'worked' here for a few days, then went back, claimed welfare money for a whole year or so and funneled millions and millions of euros from here to there  

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Hey, don't blame the people, blame the system. The "welfare" system has been a problem for 10+ years in Western/Nordic Europe. Just get rid of it.

 

Beside all the flock from Africa / Asia, that comes for it, it cannibalises the workforce from Eastern Europe. Do you know how much damage is done, because of people going there to live on welfare. They don't even have to transfer it here. They just stay in NED doing nothing, instead of being in BG working ...

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  On 12/16/2023 at 12:18 PM, Federer91 said:

Hey, don't blame the people, blame the system.

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I'd rather blame both. The welfare system in general is more than excellent, especially compared to plenty of countries where even if you physically can't work (sick, injured, whatever), you're out of luck and will have to make do with nearly nothing. The problem with the welfare system is not 'everything', it's mostly the way how easily millions go to certain countries, often by simply spending a week or so working, and then just taking the money and taking a few months vacation until they need to come for the next week of work to finance the next few months In terms of helping out the people within who actually need it, it works fairly well. Not great, but...somewhat ok.

 

But I'd mostly blame the people more who shamelessly abuse it, both people within the country as well as was the case with the Bulgarian gangs (presumably some other countries too, but since it was largely Bulgarians, it's literally mentioned as 'de Bulgarenfraude', which probably doesn't need translation  

 

That all being said, I'm still glad I'm not the one in charge of making the rules, because it is absolutely going to be impossible to find a set of rules that is actually fair for everyone and whichever set of rules one creates, people are going to say it's wrong.

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  On 12/16/2023 at 12:30 PM, heywoodu said:

I'd rather blame both. The welfare system in general is more than excellent, especially compared to plenty of countries where even if you physically can't work (sick, injured, whatever), you're out of luck and will have to make do with nearly nothing. The problem with the welfare system is not 'everything', it's mostly the way how easily millions go to certain countries, often by simply spending a week or so working, and then just taking the money and taking a few months vacation until they need to come for the next week of work to finance the next few months In terms of helping out the people within who actually need it, it works fairly well. Not great, but...somewhat ok.

 

But I'd mostly blame the people more who shamelessly abuse it, both people within the country as well as was the case with the Bulgarian gangs (presumably some other countries too, but since it was largely Bulgarians, it's literally mentioned as 'de Bulgarenfraude', which probably doesn't need translation  

 

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Had a Bulgarian friend & colleague. His father is a Policeman in . He was adamant that this was “de Tsiganeurfraude” more than anything.

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  On 12/16/2023 at 10:04 AM, Federer91 said:

So, Rutte is (finally) out of the picture in the coming weeks and all of a sudden NED has no issues letting BG in Schengen   Two-faced politicians, surely this hasn't happened before.

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Wishful thinking.  If Wilders had his way, our country would leave the EU.

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  On 12/16/2023 at 1:10 PM, Grassmarket said:

Had a Bulgarian friend & colleague. His father is a Policeman in . He was adamant that this was “de Tsiganeurfraude” more than anything.

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Doesn't really matter. Regardless that 80% of such scams are being done by Gypsies & Turks, the people would still say it's being done by "Bulgarians", because that's what their passport says.

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  On 12/16/2023 at 12:30 PM, heywoodu said:

I'd rather blame both. The welfare system in general is more than excellent, especially compared to plenty of countries where even if you physically can't work (sick, injured, whatever), you're out of luck and will have to make do with nearly nothing. The problem with the welfare system is not 'everything', it's mostly the way how easily millions go to certain countries, often by simply spending a week or so working, and then just taking the money and taking a few months vacation until they need to come for the next week of work to finance the next few months In terms of helping out the people within who actually need it, it works fairly well. Not great, but...somewhat ok.

 

But I'd mostly blame the people more who shamelessly abuse it, both people within the country as well as was the case with the Bulgarian gangs (presumably some other countries too, but since it was largely Bulgarians, it's literally mentioned as 'de Bulgarenfraude', which probably doesn't need translation  

 

That all being said, I'm still glad I'm not the one in charge of making the rules, because it is absolutely going to be impossible to find a set of rules that is actually fair for everyone and whichever set of rules one creates, people are going to say it's wrong.

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Of course i wasn't meaning removing all of it. Work accidents, injuries, sickness, maternity leaves etc. should of course stay. I was talking about all the benefits, when you don't have a job and every immigrants dream of "We will pay until you find a job and settle in", which conveniently goes on for years. Or the case you said about working 1-2-3 months, than going away, because they will continue paying you welfare. People aren't stupid, they wouldn't be crossing half the world, if it wasn't a free giveaway. It's known south to Cape Town, east to India. 

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  On 12/16/2023 at 1:49 PM, Noorderling29 said:

Wishful thinking.  If Wilders had his way, our country would leave the EU.

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Maybe, but this isn't a problem for Bulgaria 

 

Everyone knows what's happening. Rutte was scapegoating this issue for years and years, sugarcoating and pleasing his voters to stay in power. Now that he is no longer in power, it doesn't concern him, so he can freely give his "blessing", just to do Wilders dirty. 

 

If Austria doesn't veto (but they will) Wilders doesn't have a say in it. If Austria vetoes, then next year Wilders can use it for his rhetoric anyway he wishes. 

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  On 12/16/2023 at 12:18 PM, Federer91 said:

Beside all the flock from Africa / Asia, that comes for it, it cannibalises the workforce from Eastern Europe. Do you know how much damage is done, because of people going there to live on welfare. They don't even have to transfer it here. They just stay in NED doing nothing, instead of being in BG working ...

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Reminds of me of the premise of R.M.N., which I finally had time to watch a few days ago. Easily some of the best written discourse on modern Eastern Europe (even with a somewhat confusing subplot).

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3700% inflation in Argentina after 9 days of Milei

 

20 December there will be a riot, and the government it's threatening people through the official apps if they'll go they will be persecuted :/

 

the nightmare has started :/