[OFF TOPIC] Politics Thread

[copravolley 640]

3 hours ago, Wanderer said:

The Democrats have only themselves to blame for the outcome. However, just to think what were two candidates for a president of the most powerful country is just laughable. The meltdown of European countries on these results is quite a popcorn moment though, love to see it, especially the German one. 

Also, someone said RIP Ukraine, RIP Palestinians - like Palestinians were doing so well over the past year while Democrats were still in charge, so now is gonna be even worse? Yeah, Trump might not be as generous in helping Ukraine though. 

 

I think that Biden missed a good moment in the war in Ukraine 2 years ago (autumn 2022). At that time, it was necessary to press Russia harder and force it to reach a truce that would be beneficial for Ukraine. Unfortunately, since then the situation on the front and the social mood in Ukraine have got worse significantly. The tactic of keeping Ukraine on a drip has led the West to nothing. On the other hand, increasingly pro-Rus politicians are starting to come to power in other countries: Trump, Slovakia, Austria, and AFD is growing in Germany. Now, Trump's attitude will be crucial, what to do with this conflict. Unfortunately, Biden's entire presidency was conservative and weak. Harris' campaign was no different. This led to Trump's return and a much stronger one than he was four years ago. There is a lack of clear leaders in the West. Basically every important country is in chaos: USA, UK, Ger, Fra (only Macron has stayed in power of these leading countries recently but also his position is weaker than before). In my opinion he also isn`t able to take over leadership in Europe in the face of the crisis in the USA.

Edited November 7, 2024 by copravolley

[Adriano 836]

12 hours ago, Monzanator said:

 

He's a businessman and the world simply doesn't remember what the world looks like when USA adopts isolationism. Trump will get involved if only he can make a profit. And his #1 geopolitical enemy is China. Not Russia, North Korea or Iran but China. Modern society especially in Europe simply doesn't understand that becuse nobody is old enough to remember the Monroe Doctrine which predates fascism by a full century. I don't think even in USA they call James Monroe a fascist

Thanks to this choice they are not a "Free World" and Chiba easilg will continiou the way to be superpower with this weak US. It's  a great video when his quotas are compared to quotas from this canous painter. This is shocking.

[Siddhartha Talukdar 263]

7 hours ago, copravolley said:

I think that Biden missed a good moment in the war in Ukraine 2 years ago (autumn 2022). At that time, it was necessary to press Russia harder and force it to reach a truce that would be beneficial for Ukraine. Unfortunately, since then the situation on the front and the social mood in Ukraine have got worse significantly. The tactic of keeping Ukraine on a drip has led the West to nothing. On the other hand, increasingly pro-Rus politicians are starting to come to power in other countries: Trump, Slovakia, Austria, and AFD is growing in Germany. Now, Trump's attitude will be crucial, what to do with this conflict. Unfortunately, Biden's entire presidency was conservative and weak. Harris' campaign was no different. This led to Trump's return and a much stronger one than he was four years ago. There is a lack of clear leaders in the West. Basically every important country is in chaos: USA, UK, Ger, Fra (only Macron has stayed in power of these leading countries recently but also his position is weaker than before). In my opinion he also isn`t able to take over leadership in Europe in the face of the crisis in the USA.

It was never a priority to stop the war but to prolong it to offload the old weapons systems and keep Russia occupied in a conflict. But the West's strategy backfired as it pushed Russia to friendship with China. Many don't realize as Russia and China are actually adversaries even when they shared a common ideology during the Soviet era

Edited November 8, 2024 by Siddhartha Talukdar

[heywoodu 16,461]

12 hours ago, Wanderer said:

The Democrats have only themselves to blame for the outcome.

That is absolutely certain. Any somewhat reasonable politician should be good enough to win against someone like Trump, even with the unfortunate timing (for the Democrats) of having to carry the brunt of the COVID pandemic consequences and so any Republic having a bit of a head start anyway.

 

But yeah, dreadful performance overall from Harris, who seemed to start quite positively, but then just lowered herself to Trump's level in terms of throwing shit at each other. That was a terribly dumb choice, nobody is going to beat Trump at the insult game, as we have seen.

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[bestmen 2,922]

scandal in Italy , Satanyahu was hacking italian governement 

 

https://www.ynetnews.com/article/sjlz00h1b1e

 

An Italian private intelligence firm that allegedly hacked government databases to collect information on thousands of prominent people, including politicians, entrepreneurs, and celebrities, is accused of working for Satanyahu intelligence 

 

https://thecradle.co/articles-id/27519

[copravolley 640]

15 hours ago, heywoodu said:

That is absolutely certain. Any somewhat reasonable politician should be good enough to win against someone like Trump, even with the unfortunate timing (for the Democrats) of having to carry the brunt of the COVID pandemic consequences and so any Republic having a bit of a head start anyway.

 

But yeah, dreadful performance overall from Harris, who seemed to start quite positively, but then just lowered herself to Trump's level in terms of throwing shit at each other. That was a terribly dumb choice, nobody is going to beat Trump at the insult game, as we have seen.

In my opinion, Trump is a very difficult opponent: he has hard electorate, not voters and if he does something wrong, his electorate forgives him. Secondly, he is an experienced man with a TV past who is doing great in the campaign. He is old but his health is good and it`s hard to beat someone like that. In 2020, Biden won mainly because of Covid and Trump's terrible decisions (Biden also won not by that much then). In my opinion, if the Republicans had put up a polite and well-mannered politician like Mitt Romney, Harris would have had a much easier time winning against him. If Trump were weak, he wouldn`t be allowed to run again after his defeat in 2020.

Edited November 8, 2024 by copravolley

[bestmen 2,922]

Diplomatic crizis france/Satanyahu , after 2 french officials arrested in jerusalem 

 

[heywoodu 16,461]

12 hours ago, copravolley said:

In my opinion, Trump is a very difficult opponent: he has hard electorate, not voters and if he does something wrong, his electorate forgives him. Secondly, he is an experienced man with a TV past who is doing great in the campaign. He is old but his health is good and it`s hard to beat someone like that. In 2020, Biden won mainly because of Covid and Trump's terrible decisions (Biden also won not by that much then). In my opinion, if the Republicans had put up a polite and well-mannered politician like Mitt Romney, Harris would have had a much easier time winning against him. If Trump were weak, he wouldn`t be allowed to run again after his defeat in 2020.

Trump's physical health may still be quite good, indeed. Mental health is a different story, judging by almost all of his speeches where he just gets lost in his own words.

 

But yeah, exactly what you mention: he can literally commit crimes and try and raise a coup, and his electorate won't care at all. That is of course besides the millions of people who might not really want to vote for a person like Trump, but simply believe with his policies they will have a better chance of paying their groceries, which - sad as it is - is definitely an understandable reason.

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